Comey and Mueller

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  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  2. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    At some point, we might as well just make it legal to lie to Congress and leak classified information, because apparently we're not interested in prosecuting people for it unless they're not in the political class.
     
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  3. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    Is David Patraeus part of the "political class?" I think the case could be made that he was.
     
  4. Joe Fan

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  5. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Clapper leaked info to CNN early last year regarding the classified briefing given to then President-Elect Trump and Obama on the "Steele Dossier."

    The House Intelligence Committee’s Russia investigation uncovered the evidence that Clapper contacted CNN shortly before CNN published a piece on the classified briefing (dated 1/10/17 by Jake Tapper, Evan Perez, & Jim Sciutto)
    https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/donald-trump-intelligence-report-russia/

    Leaking confidential information like this is against the law.
    Unless, of course, you are a Democrat.
     
  6. Joe Fan

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  7. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    If you have followed at all the Theranos/Elizabeth Holmes case, Holmes hired the same firm - Fusion GPS - to suppress news coverage of her fraud.

    WAPO --
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  8. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Do you like coincidences?

    Can you guess who else hired GPS Fusion?
    Barrack Obama
    I think they came up with the attacks on Romney during the campaign that he killed the family dog, that he killed an employee and so on. Can find all that in this book by Michael Isikoff and David Corn.

    “As had become standard practice in the shadowy world of ‘oppo’ research, the Obama campaign’s payments to Fusion GPS were never publicly disclosed; the money paid to the investigative firm was reported on campaign disclosure reports as legal bills to the campaign’s law firm, Perkins Coie."


    But wait, there's more!
    Can you also guess how the Obama Campaign hid its payments to Fusion GPS?

    He used the cutout lawfirm, Perkins Coie. The same firm HRC'16/DNC used to come up with the Steele Dossier.
    According to the FEC, 'Obama for America' paid Perkins Coie around $3 million during the 2012 election cycle.
    Also according to the FEC, the same lawfirm received more than $12 million from HRC'16/DNC during the 2016 election cycle.
     
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  9. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

    For those of you looking for Russian connections, Fusion GPS is the place to look.

    When the USSR broke up the Russian government and economy went into a tailspin in the 90’s decade. Several talented spies and cyber experts were left jobless or were receiving poverty wages. Hillary was in the White House during this stretch, later in the Senate, followed by a stint as Secretary of State.

    Find out how many ex-Soviets work for Fusion GPS and who recruited them or at least was totally aware of this.
     
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  10. I35

    I35 2,500+ Posts

    Meanwhile we have two board libs that believe there is a connection with Trump and Russia although there has been zero evidence. Unbelievable that they would continue to push this fake news.
     
  11. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I dont think they really believe it either
    They just like trolling
     
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  12. Joe Fan

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  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I dont think Glenn Simpson founded Fusion GPS until 2011
     
  14. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

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  15. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Still possible
     
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  16. I35

    I35 2,500+ Posts

    There are many that thought it was a safe bet that Hillary would be President and be protected. They went all in making sure that Hillary would be President and they failed. So out of panic they tried to attack, attack, attack the new President and now have been exposed. If they don't have consequences to their actions it will only start being the standard that it's okay to be corrupt because nothing will happen to them personally. McCabe should be fired without a doubt and not get his pension and then needs to face his criminal actions with potential prison time if found guilty. Then go after all that corruption by several that seemed small but grew into a giant tumor with the same fate. We got to quit messing around and show what happens when you decide to make your career about corruption. There's no place for that in our great nation.
     
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  17. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Geez, these people.

    FBI/JOJ have been stonewalling the release of further Peter Strzok texts. This newest batch shows he was close friends with DC Circuit Judge Contreras who is the judge who suddenly recused himself from the Flynn case. Contreras is also on the FISA court. John Roberts is ultimately in charge of the FISC. Hopefully this latest nonsense will get his attention.

    Newly redacted text messages discovered by congressional investigators reveal that an embattled FBI agent at the center of the Russia investigation controversy was close friends with a District of Columbia judge who recused himself from the criminal case over former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, congressional members said, and text documents show.

    The never before seen text messages, which were a part of the texts given to congress by the Department of Justice, show that FBI Special Agent Peter Strzok and his paramour FBI attorney Lisa Page discussed Strzok’s relationship with U.S. District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras, who presided over a Dec. 1, 2017 hearing where former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI. Strzok was removed from Robert Mueller’s Special Counsel’s Office last year after anti-Trump text messages between him and his FBI agent lover were discovered by the DOJ’s Inspector General Michael Horowitz. But on Dec. 7, without warning, Judge Rudolph Contreras was removed as the presiding judge on Flynn’s case. Little information was given at the time as to why Contreras was removed.....

    https://saraacarter.com/explosive-text-messages-reveal-judge-in-flynn-case-was-friends-with-strzok/
     
  18. I35

    I35 2,500+ Posts

    This crap has to stop. The Libs need to stop defending this stuff and help demand answers with zero tolerance for stonewalling. Being resistant to finding the truth has got to end right here and right now.
     
  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    In the earlier submission to Congress, FBI/DOJ either did not produce these texts or they entire texts were redacted. They intentionally hid it from oversight.

    Neither FBI nor DOJ are established by the Constitution. They are both the creations of the Congress. As such, they are both subject to oversight.
     
  20. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Another thing about this is that Trump is in a bit of a Catch-22. He cannot shut down the Mueller probe and excise the rot in the DOJ and the FBI without appearing to “obstruct justice.”
    In practical terms, Mueller is their cover-up, aka "the insurance policy.”
     
  21. Garmel

    Garmel 1,000+ Posts

    McCabe has been fired.
     
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  22. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 5,000+ Posts

    Awesome. Government service does not come with a guaranteed pension, and that is definitely one of the things that should be forfeited when your job performance was rife with incompetence and corruption. It's the way it is in the real world, and it should be no different just because you work for the government.
     
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  23. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Two days before his pension vested
    I did not think Sessions was capable

    This IG report is going to shake up DC
    It will be interesting to see how the media handles it
    I think will be hard for them to ignore, but they will try
     
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  24. Garmel

    Garmel 1,000+ Posts

    Yeah, Sessions surprised me too. The first domino has fallen.
     
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  25. AustinBat

    AustinBat 2,500+ Posts

    I am sorry that I didn’t have any chilled champagne to celebrate. Someone with some knowledge of the FBI said McCabe said that if he goes down he is taking others with him. I can’t wait! :yippee:
     
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  26. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    McCabe issued a statement, blaming Trump, of course (which sort of undermines his position that he has been unbiased, and never political)

    But it was the FBI's own disciplinary office -- The OPR - that recommended his firing. These are career agents not Part of the Trump administration.

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  27. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The reasons given for the firing, as far as Ive seen, are the leaking. About which the facts are not in dispute.

    However, the there is more to come. The suggestion is that McCabe may have altered the 302s (notes summarizing witness interviews) in the Flynn investigation. This is one of the things that is supposed to be in the IG's report

    But wait, there's more!
    McCabe supposedly did this at the direction of Comey (and others inside DOJ)
     
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  28. I35

    I35 2,500+ Posts

    I agree that we are about to see just how corrupt the swamp is. There are lawyers trying to work deals at this very moment. Lots of panic going on now. They dropped the hammer on one and watch the dominos fall.
     
  29. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    This form 302 issue has been around for awhile. See links below.
    Holder was supposed to have made improvements in 2014, but they had little effect. They are probably going to be in the spotlight again because of what McCabe and Comey are alleged to have done here with regard to Flynn. It's alittle bit ironic.

    The issue goes all the way back to Bobby Kennedy --
    “You can have a conversation with an agent… and when it is over he will send a memo to the files. Any relation between the memo and what was said in the conversation may be purely coincidental. You would think you were at different meetings.”
    http://www.ipsn.org/court_cases/United_States_v_Salemme_Decision.htm

    The problem is that the 302s become the official record of what was said during the interview. FBI agents review their 302s prior to testifying at trial. Prosecutors rely on them with all witnesses at trial. Defendants or witnesses who contest what’s written in a 302 open themselves up to charges of “making false statements or even perjury.”

    Some judges wont even allow them to be used --
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    https://whowhatwhy.org/2015/05/20/t...iew-reports-are-unreliable-and-cast-in-stone/

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/harvey...rding-policy-the-exceptions-swallow-the-rule/

    https://whowhatwhy.org/2015/07/08/fbis-amazing-trick-to-avoid-accountability/
     
  30. Joe Fan

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