Comey and Mueller

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  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    If you have been following along with this matter, you know that the Inspector General's report failed to name some of the other FBI officials he investigated. In that report, he called one of them "FBI Attorney 1." This is the third person who, together with Lisa Page and Peter Strzok, removed the "gross negligence" language on James Comey's Hillary exoneration statement.

    We now know that "FBI Attorney 1" is Sally Moyer.

    Moyer is also the unnamed person in the OIG Report who received the "Viva le resistance" message from "FBI Attorney 2" ( who we now know is Kevin Clinesmith).

    You will never guess where attorney Moyer is today

    No really, try and guess

    Moyer is assigned to the Trump/Russia "investigation"

    You cant make this stuff up.

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    Moyer was also deep in the Page FISA Court application as "Unit Chief of the National Security Law Branch." If you read the snippet above about "Michael Woods" then Moyer was in the Woods role at the time of the Page applications.

    Devin Nunes has been trying to get her under oath for a long time. But she has been allowed to evade him this whole time.

    Why?

    My guess is that it is because she falsely certified that the Page application was verified, i.e., that the FBI had verified the truth of the contents of the Steele Dossier.

    In other words, she perjured herself and, thus, in no way does she want to appear before Congress.

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  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    In addition, DOJ and the FBI both falsely attested to the FISA court not once, not twice, not thrice, but four separate times that Steele was not the source of Michael Isikoff's September 23 article, which DOJ used to corroborate claims from Steele's dossier.

    The truth is that Steele was the only source. The released FISA applications now make crystal clear that DOJ/FBI literally used fake news funded by a campaign opposition research arm to spy on their political opponents.

    But wait, that's not all -- the FBI/DOJ also certified 4 times, under penalty of perjury, that they didn't believe Steele leaked anything to Yahoo.
    And get this -- three of those times were AFTER terminating Steele as an FBI source for leaking to the media

    "We fired him for leaking behind our back but we're damn sure he didn't also leak this other thing"
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  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Below is also from the Page FISA Application -- If there is no evidence of collusion currently (which there isnt), then there was no evidence of collusion when the FBI made this statement.


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  4. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Check the date - Sept 2016 (October 2016 is when the Page FISA application was submitted)

    Combine this Hillary press release with what you now know about ....
    -- Comey (recently said it would be "Un-American" to vote Republican in 2018)
    -- Clapper
    -- Brennan
    -- Strzok
    -- Page
    -- Oher
    -- McCabe
    -- Sally Moyer

    Does anyone have any doubt that this entire event was a coordinated political smear from the outset?


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  5. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    There's good reason why all of this stuff was released on a Saturday. This would be enough to shut down any investigation except this one.
     
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  6. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    I must be really naive to think they ,all of them, will get away with this.
    Surely even lefties ought to be angry at what supposedly neutral Feds did.

    Jf thanks for taking time to outline what is in all that.
    Smh
     
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  7. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    A sea of redactions

     
  8. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    We definitely need a review of the FISC judge who recklessly allowed this Application to pass his desk. From there let the chips fall where they may, no matter his nominating political party.

    In my experience, judges hate being lied to or misled. Perhaps there are exceptions? Whatever the truth, as a country, we need to get to the bottom of this. The entire idea of a "secret court" is offensive to the Constitution.

    And the review should probably be a judicial one or by another Special Prosecutor. I am not convinced DOJ can be trusted to perform an impartial review of anything to do with this.
     
  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Here is Senator Diane Feinstein on March, 2017 predicting that Russia-Trump "collusion" would soon force Trump to resign --

    "We have a lot of people looking at this, technical people.
    And I think [Trump] is going to get himself out.”


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  10. Joe Fan

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  11. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    They will get away with it if the Dems take the House. The FBI/DOJ are stalling and trying to run out the clock.
     
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  12. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    That Garmel is frightening
     
  13. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Yep
     
  14. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    "We fired him for leaking behind our back but we're damn sure he didn't also leak this other thing"

    Or, "I shot the sheriff but I did not shoot the deputy."
     
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  15. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Where's Mchammer? We need somebody to yell "Taint!".
     
  16. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    As you are probably aware, James Comey long ago revealed that he is just another partisan hack (who just happened to be running the FBI). He is pretty desperate for a Dem victory in the 2018 midterms, to stop the president he tried but failed to bring down on his own. Yesterday, he pleaded with Democrat voters to stop revealing so publicly their socialistic leanings. He, of course, was then savaged by his own people.






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  18. ProdigalHorn

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  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    One of the better quotes from the weekend
    From Trey Gowdy --

    "I have not seen one scintilla of evidence that this president colluded, conspired, collaborated, with Russia. And neither has anybody else, or you can rest assured, Adam Schiff would have leaked it."
     
  20. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Chairman Goodlatte said yesterday that he has seen unredacted versions of Carter Page FISA applications and that they do "not support the issuance of a warrant against Mr. Page." He said the dossier allegations on Page were not and have not been verified.

     
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  21. ProdigalHorn

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  22. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    When oh when is ANYONE going to face any consequences from all this? The folks involved not only have not been charged with anything, they haven't even been fired.
     
  23. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    When the Pope becomes protestant.
     
  24. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The WSJ waddles into the Page FISA application disaster. Basically, on the basis of an uncorroborated document commissioned by a rival presidential campaign, the FBI accused a US citizen of being an “agent of a foreign power” who should be wiretapped. This should concern all Americans, regardless of party. But I am not sure Dems have the ability to ever look that far down the road and realize that some day, this stuff could be used against them.

    The FBI over the weekend finally released its Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act applications for warrants against former Trump aide Carter Page, and now we know why the bureau resisted disclosure. Even in heavily redacted form, the applications confirm that the FBI relied on dubious partisan evidence to justify its warrant and withheld relevant information from the court.

    The applications also vindicate the criticism of the FBI’s surveillance requests that were laid out in February by House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes. The committee’s findings were based on a review of the FISA applications, which were still classified at the time. The main Nunes claim was that the FBI made the Steele dossier—which was commissioned by the Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee—“an essential” part of its initial application. The FISA documents confirm this.

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    Our media friends are dismissing all this as no big deal because they say Mr. Page’s history of personal Russian dealings justified his surveillance in any case. Yet so far no one has produced evidence that Mr. Page was anything but an innocent abroad who liked to boast about his contacts. He certainly was a minor figure in the Trump campaign.

    And that still doesn’t justify the FBI’s use of uncorroborated partisan smears as part of its application. At best the FBI appears to have played fast and loose with the facts to stretch the ethical boundaries of the FISA statute. At worst the FBI dissembled to target a man because they wanted to unleash a counterintelligence campaign against a presidential campaign. Either one tarnishes the FBI’s reputation.

    Democrats and their media allies won’t admit any of this because they are invested in the narrative that Russian meddling elected Donald Trump. But two years of investigation later we’re still waiting to see evidence of that. What the FISA applications show is that the FBI did abuse its surveillance powers. There’s still more to learn, and Mr. Trump should declassify and release everything that can be safely disclosed.

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  25. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    There have been a couple criminal referrals. Nothing public from those yet.
     
  26. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Basically the issue with Carter Page from what I can see is that every allegation that the FBI pursued was based on Steel's account of what someone else had told him. So based on second and third hand information, we can now spy on American citizens. Apparently there is no actual verified evidence or reasonable proof that Page ever met with Russian officials, as is alleged in the application. And yet, that's been the assumption on which everything was based - "everyone KNEW Carter Page was meeting with Russian officials." Maybe there's more out there, but from what I've seen, the FISA warrant didn't rely on any of it - only Steele's account in the dossier, which we now know was fed by information coming from the State Department via Clinton people.
     
  27. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    So based on the corruption demonstrated by the FBI, DOJ, and FISC how many of you truly want to reduce the size and scope of government. If they thought they could get away surveilling high profile politicians how many of you think that we are seeing the whole iceberg? How many common everyday citizens are having their civil rights abused by the government. It is still probably going on today. The only way to keep these people from doing this is defunding them. When they no longer have the resources to monitor us they will stop. Until then...
     
  28. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Here is one guy who was caught leaking -- James Wolfe is a former Senate Intelligence Committee staffer who has already been arrested, although he was not indicted for leaking but rather on three counts of "making false statements" to the FBI. The indictment was back in December (I think Trump tweeted about it at the time).

    This is the guy who leaked the Page FISA application to reporter Ali Watkins. The FISA application was received by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence on March 17th, 2017. The evidence is pretty clear that he took pictures of 82 pages of the application and texted them in 82 consecutive texts to Watkins. The NYT article came out next day.

    By the way, no one in the MSM put this Wolfe-Watkins story together. All the hard work was done by "non-professional" reporters.

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  29. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I was making the argument that Rosenstein had to recuse himself within a month or two of the Sessions recusal

     
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  30. Horn6721

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