Comey and Mueller

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  1. Joe Fan

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  2. Garmel

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    I like it here but I have to get my baseball fix elsewhere I'm afraid.
  3. Joe Fan

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    And, as a bonus, here is some baseball news for you
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  4. Garmel

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    I also learned from these nitwits that prosecutorial misconduct and bias does not get cases dismissed according to these nitwits that I'm dealing with. I'm not exaggerating.
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  5. Joe Fan

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    What is the answer?

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  6. Mr. Deez

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    Cliven Bundy's case was dismissed for prosecutorial misconduct. In fact, the judge who did it was an Obama appointee. Yeah, it's a thing.

    As for whether there was something wrong with the unmaskings, the argument could be made that it was defensible for some of those who requested it but surely not all or even most. And of course, it was not defensible for any of them to leak the unmasking to the media. That was an abuse even if done by someone with a valid reason to do the unmasking.
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  7. Garmel

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    What would you defense attorneys here do if a judge said this to you?

  8. LongestHorn

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  9. Joe Fan

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  10. Joe Fan

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    Sullivan has gone "beyond the pale." The parties can petition the DC Circuit -- ask for a writ of mandamus or perhaps a writ of prohibition

    By coincidence of timing, just last week, the SCOTUS/Ginsburg overturned a 9th Cir case where the court acted "beyond the pale" -- she really let them have it in an immigration case
    "[T]he appeals panel departed so drastically from the principle of party presentation as to constitute an abuse of discretion. ..... A court is not hidebound by the precise arguments of counsel, but the Ninth Circuit’s radical transformation of this case goes well beyond the pale."​
    United States v. Sineneng-Smith - SCOTUSblog
    You can almost feel the SCOTUS' growing impatience with the 9th Cir, which has gone completely off the rails. The SCOTUS is tired of having to reverse them all the time. Reversals are not something appellate courts enjoy doing. But the 9C keeps wasting their time by forcing them to keep doing it over and over. It has gotten so bad that even the higher court libs are getting sick of their fellow lib lower court judges.

    Besides directly confronting this recent SCOTUS case, there is also a recent DC Cir case (which controls the DC Dist Ct) in direct opposition to Sullivan. In US v. Fokker Services, Judge Leon refused to accept a deferred prosecution agreement between the Obama DOJ and a Dutch aerospace services company. He thought it was too lenient. The parties took a writ of mandamus to the DC Cir. A 3-judge panel nicely smacked Judge Leon about the head. They noted his position was "contrary to the law and constitutional understanding" -- lol. United States v. Fokker Servs. B.V. | Case Brief for Law School | LexisNexis

    If it happens this way, it might destroy Sullivan's career, so my sense is that he will back off.
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  11. Joe Fan

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    Barr with some comments today --

    —Collusion hoax used against Trump was “baseless” and “unprecedented in American history”

    —Durham is a criminal investigation

    —Does not believe - based on his knowledge of Durham probe - that Obama or Biden will personally be the focus of a criminal investigation

    —Durham’s focus “is on others” involved

    —DOJ under Obama had “dual standard” - rules for Trump, and rules for everybody else

    —DOJ must have *one* standard for *every* American

    —DOJ will only prosecute if it can prove every element of a crime “beyond a reasonable doubt”

    —Not every “abuse of power”, no matter how egregious, is necessarily a federal crime that can be prosecuted

    —But Durham is trying to “get to the bottom of what happened”, and if crimes can be proven, will bring perpetrators to justice
  12. Horn6721

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    This "—Not every “abuse of power”, no matter how egregious, is necessarily a federal crime that can be prosecuted"
    while true is disappointing when applied to some of the crap Obama etc did
  13. Joe Fan

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  14. Joe Fan

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    More from Grenell, acting DNI - bringing the FBI back under control

    He has removed the FBI from SIGINT briefings and products that contain sources/methods. They have been ordered to return to core LE/CT work. The FBI will no longer receive raw or refined sources and methods COMINT/SIGINT product, only sanitized analyst product. The orders have already gone out to the relevant IC commands, including INSCOM.

    Now FBI's access will only be granted on a per-incident basis if matter is not directly related to terrorism or a criminal activity under active investigation. And thus, with the exception of terrorism and criminal matters, the FBI is out of the raw intelligence business.

    This is a pretty big deal. Too bad but it had to be done. The FBI's misbehavior and institutional myopia left them no choice
  15. horninchicago

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    Abhorrent and unprecedented blah blah blah. The major players will get away with usual.
  16. LongestHorn

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  17. Joe Fan

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    We now know the definite answer to this question posed
    They got down to the business of unmasking US citizens and planning a coup d'état

    Did they forever destroy the long held distinction of the American principle of the peaceful transition of governments? Only time will tell

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  19. Monahorns

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    Sounds like Trump trusts Pompeo a little too much. He needs to be a little more curious why.
  20. Garmel

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  21. Joe Fan

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    So what was up with Susan Rice's email she sent to herself on inauguration?
    She knew her little paper trail would be found. And so clearly it was an attempt at ***-covering. But it would also seem she was not exactly out to help Obama

    Because her email shows Obama knew the FBI was looking at Flynn over a fear Flynn passing classified info on to Russians.
    But Rice also makes it clear Obama made the presidential choice not to inform Trump of that suspicion.
    Nor did Obama did not direct Comey to inform Trump of this.

    This was pretty significant information. They had gone from from being concerned Flynn was compromised by Russian to believing he was actively passing on classified intel to Russians. This is treason (we know he wasn't but that is not they point, the point is they believed it at the time).

    It was a huge potential scandal and Rice covered her own rear and dropped it all squarely in Obama's lap.
  22. Joe Fan

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  24. Garmel

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  25. Joe Fan

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  26. Joe Fan

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    I have written about her in here in the past, but Flynn's attorney has a history of getting convictions set aside or reversed in the federal courts against DOJ, including the Enron case
    Here is her book
  27. Joe Fan

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  28. Joe Fan

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    There is definitely a federal crime in the disclosures (the leaks).
    So some of this might boil down to first amendment issues.
    But, I say, if Fitzgerald had zero problems incarcerating a reporter over (what he already knew to be!) nothing, then neither should Durham.
    Seems like Brennan here since he looks like a ringmaster who was on very friendly terms with the media. But who knows? Sometimes its the quiet ones.

    I would be fine if they got the John Wilkes Booth attempted coup treatment
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