Confessions of a Lukewarm Democrat

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  1. OUBubba

    OUBubba Reluctant and Bullied Sponsor

    Mediamatters : T. Carlson as UT : North San Angelo State Tech. [It's been a minute since I've done any standardized testing. That may not be how to express that.]
  2. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    Sure, Bubba. Sure.
  3. nashhorn

    nashhorn 2,500+ Posts

    Bit outta whack now Bub.
  4. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    It’s you
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  5. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    Sure, bud.
  6. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    me too.

    then Tucker went on some rant about the beauty, lack thereof, in Government buildings.

    First ... So what?

    Second ... he hasn't seen a TxDot office lately, has he?

    this really puzzled me about Carlson. He's normally level-noggined. Govt buildings shouldn't cost just to be cost. They are a cost of having government. It should be spent with frugality in mind (I know I know, get off the floor now). So what if the FBI building looks spartan. It has air conditioning and indoor plumbing, right? good grief.

    But yeah, the New Path Forward ... that seems to be a real ringer. Dems love it, to their own demise.

    But again ... marketing. What do we FEEL is more important than the reality ... or even what could truthfully be THOUGHT.
  7. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    Tucker is a populist Statist. They contradict themselves all the time since the days of the Populist Party.

    They have always said that powerful elites are against them. They always want to employ the State to oppose the elites on their behalf. But that's idiotic. The elites control the State. It is a self-defeating ideology.
  8. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    I wasn't aware. I don't set my watch to Carlson's show, but I have watched (portions) of many.

    This was the first one I shook my noggin. I kept thinking this was a new thing in his show ... Satire along the lines of BabylonBee ... absurdity to illustrate absurdity.

    But he was sincere in that idiotic rant.
  9. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    I was going to further discuss this but I forgot. Here's the study.

    Now to the median income graph. The graph clearly shows that median income during Obama's time was nearly identical from the time he took office to the end of his presidency (adjusted for inflation). With all of the qualitative easing during his presidency, Obama got us back to where Bush was. Look at what has happened during Trump's time. A little north of $4,000 worth of gain in three years.

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  10. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    I want to add that according to the graph above that over the past 20 years we've been stuck roughly at around $60,000-$62,500 for the norm (adjusted for inflation) in regards to median household income. Trump has added $4,000 dollars to that. That is quite an accomplishment in just 3 years time.
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  11. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    well, recall ... 1% GDP growth ... that's "the new normal."
  12. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    We finally quit accelerating money supply growth and came up a bit in interest rate. That allows the market to adjust to money supply. Until then your wages are diluted by excess dollars in circulation.
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  13. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Klobuchar and Buttigieg are getting traction. Biden is getting passed by more inspiring candidates. Sanders is inspiring passionate support. The landscape is getting more inviting to the centrists.
  14. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Winebibber

    The only vaguely centrist person among that trio is Klobuchar.
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  15. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    yes, passionate support. like an atlas rocket but without thrust vectoring.

    Bernie isn't a centrist ... so I'm not tracking on how those statements reconcile.
  16. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Buttigieg seems pretty centrist to me. He has a strong intellect and ability to focus and concentrate. Both Klobuchar and Mayor Pete would come of as nice contrasts to the incumbent.
  17. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Mayor Pete speaks only in platitudes and likes those dead fetuses.
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  18. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Winebibber

    Pete is pretty much the white Obama, that's true. How he managed to steal that title from BobFrank, I still don't know.
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  19. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Mayor Pete is a sharp, well-spoken guy. That is true. I do think he's an economic moderate, basically because everybody knows he's a liar. If he wins, he'll basically be like Obama. He's recycling the public option from the original Obamacare, but like Obama, he's a corporate Democrat and will very quickly drop it. He's not going to go to war with the health insurance industry. Bernie will. It's not just a campaign issue for him. It's his life's ambition.

    What Pete (and all of these candidates) miss is that is that what really hurts Democrats in the key states isn't the absence of economic moderation. It's the absence of social and cultural moderation. Pete's hard left on abortion, and he's hard left on sexual and gender identity issues. That'll make him an easy target for Trump in those states. It may help him run up the score in New York City and San Francisco, but it's not going to play in suburban Pittsburg or rural Wisconsin. You can sell the public option in those places. You can't sell social radicalism really anywhere but where God-haters are dominant.
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  20. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    so much for confessions! :p

    A Centrist? Admittedly, I haven't delved into Mayor Pete's responses on every issue in great depth ... he's running for democrat POTUS nominee. If one supports the DNC platform, they're my political opponent. That opponent can be cordial, perhaps ... polished ... but when promoting the ideal the Fed Govt has the role/duty/right to direct beyond treasury of the money, national defense, foreign policy, and border security ...

    you get on thin ice REALLY quickly.
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  21. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 2,500+ Posts

    Yep, they could both kill a great economy.
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  22. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    Pete is going to win the candidacy. He is the millenial Obama. Don't know if he will beat Trump, but he has the best chance. Biden is done. Warren is done. Klobuchar has a chance if she can pick up most of the voters as others drop off. Maybe Warren has a chance if she can get all the Biden, Klobuchar voters and force them out.

    But Pete is going to appeal to most of the Hillary voters from 2016. Plus the establishment DNC likes him. He could get most of the superdelegates too. His connections to the CIA/FBI Deep State are what has boosted him to the level he is at today. Let's be honest, the 2020 election is going to be Deep State vs Trump.
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  23. Driver 8

    Driver 8 smoooove

    Biden is creepy and reeeaally not smart
  24. 4th_floor

    4th_floor From now on, I want you all to call me Loretta.

    I don't see minorities turning out for Buttigieg.
  25. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

  26. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    ^ I don't even know that that means.
    Is it some kind of woke code?
  27. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    I think it is a random simulator of his previous random comments. So it becomes truly random.
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  28. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    I don't think minorities will vote for Buttigieg as much as they do for Dems. But I think minority turnout for the Dem primary will be low. Buttigieg will win with the moderates, whites, Progressives, Wokes, Suburbans still mad at Trump. That will be enough if Warren and Biden and Klobuchar drop out before too late.
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  29. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Best story of the 2020 election so far:

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  30. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Yep. He's a good bullshitter who won't scare people like Bernie will. He's gay, so his surrogates in the media will suggest that if you don't vote for him, it's because you're homophobic. It won't be enough for him to win in rural or blue collar areas, but he'll win the suburbs and stupid young people. I don't know if it'll be enough to win with weak black and Hispanic turnout. (They haven't been shamed into being pro-gay yet.) However, it'll be enough to make it a close election. Trump may still hold the usual swing states but could lose Arizona and maybe Texas if the Houston and DFW suburbs go heavily for Pete.

    Of course, how Trump behaves will be the biggest factor. If we get SOTU Trump for the rest of the year, he'll win against every Democratic candidate. If we get Twitter-pissing-match Trump, he might lose to Pete.
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