Coronavirus

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Clean, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 2,500+ Posts

    Man, can't get an image posted. Damn witch doctor must have put a spell on me.
     
  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  3. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan 10,000+ Posts

    HIC - did you get results back from your test?
     
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  4. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Yes, but on its face, it doesn't support the point you're trying to prove.
     
  5. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    The gov of Michigan is free to run for president, otherwise she can STFU!
     
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  6. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    Not yet. Probably tomorrow. Thanks!
     
  7. OUBubba

    OUBubba 2,500+ Posts

    We’re gonna send the PPE, but first, I need you to do us a favor....
     
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  8. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    Bubba
    I asked you before . I will ask again
    Show proof ANY given did not get what they needed
     
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  9. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Is Joe Biden being intimidated into at least blunting his criticisms too? Chuck Todd asks Biden if Trump has blood on his hands. Biden shows that he's less of a partisan than Todd is. Link.
     
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  10. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    Just another "gaffe".
     
  11. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Hey, I'll give the guy credit. He's a politician. We expect him to be a partisan hack, and he ended up being less so than the journalist. It's just disturbing that the politician has his limits, but the guy who's paid not to be a partisan hack and whose credibility depends on not being so has no such limits.
     
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  12. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    You know I was joking....right?
     
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  13. militaryhorn

    militaryhorn Cocky & Relaxed Like Dionysus

    I don't understand the argument presented in the link. It was trying to argue that each patient is different based on insurance coverage and what will be needed for treatment. While I understand that point of view, what is the case for the individual who wants to pay cash for treatment with no insurance involved?

    My personal opinion is that if medical facilities were forced to post prices on procedures then the market would force competition. Which would eventually lower prices and then ultimately bring insurance costs down, making it affordable for most people like car insurance.

    While I am spouting my opinion, why do most people feel that taking little Johnny to the doctor's office for a routine sick call should be covered with insurance?

    I would think that a 15 to 20 minute appointment would cost $100 to $200 to see a doctor. I don't know for sure but if insurance was used for big medical cost only, i.e. minor surgeries, physical therapy, etc., then cost could be reasonable for all. I would be in favor of the government covering catastrophic/preexisting conditions that require deep pockets.

    Look at car insurance, it doesn't cover getting an oil change or really anything other than accidents, theft, or minor damage. Why does medical have to cover everything?
     
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  14. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Their argument is that the negotiated prices that they charge health insurers is confidential and proprietary. They don't want people, governments, or other entities using that information as a leveraging tool to negotiate price reductions from the hospital. In the context of personal injury litigation, I've sued hospitals that file liens against my client's recovery for excessive charges. They guard that information strongly and immediately play ball to avoid disclosing it.

    I'm not sure that they would. The root of the problem is that the patient isn't paying the big out-of-pocket costs and therefore doesn't care especially when in some kind of health crisis.

    People expect it because medical insurance is expensive, and they want to get something for those premiums. And realistically, it isn't the 20 minute, $200 family doctor visit that makes health insurance expensive. It's the hospitalizations and specialists that cost tens and sometimes hundreds of thousands.

    I see evidence of that in Germany. If I see my family doctor, it's a little cheaper than in the US, but it's not a blowout. However, the minute a hospital or specialist is involved, the costs are wildly different.

    The big difference is that most of the cars we insure will never get wrecked and require some huge claims payment. However, we will all eventually get some nasty illness or condition that we are willing to fight with medical care, because we don't want to die. Insuring against the inevitable gets expensive.
     
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  15. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    A single nursing home facility here in San Antonio has 59 positive corona virus cases! Poor old folks stuck in nursing homes are sitting ducks for this thing. If one medical worker contracts it and goes to work while still not symptomatic, he can spread it to everyone in the home. Gonna wipe out a lot of Trump voters.
     
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  16. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  17. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Poor Governor of Georgia just found out 2 days ago about asymptomatic spread.... Poor guy should have paid at least a little attention to mainsream media....
     
  18. OUBubba

    OUBubba 2,500+ Posts

  19. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Lol. I already posted this. :smokin:
     
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  20. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    Bubba
    That Is from March 27. Even in that old article it points put PPE was shipped to Michigan.
     
  21. OUBubba

    OUBubba 2,500+ Posts

    That was like 5 days after the kerfluffle. Florida got 100% of their request plus another shipment.
     
  22. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    She's enough for two you greedy bastard
     
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  23. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    He's desperately trying to force the narrative that politics is driving who gets what whether the evidence supports that or not. Furthermore, even if you presume that Trump is a total jackass, withholding supplies for Michigan makes no sense at all. It would pretty much end his chances of winning that state.
     
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  24. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    The numbers keep going up. It does not appear that our efforts to ruin the economy and put millions out of work are "flattening the curve". Is it time to reassess if all this is worse than the disease itself? Or do we just say well it would be worse if we didn't do all this and trust that is true?
     
  25. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    Some much needed, IMO, historical context:

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  26. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    So, anyway, I want to get back to this woman

    Maybe it's the headline writer's fault? But this could be read multiple ways
    -- One is that it the main aim is gay bath houses - is this how y'all read this?
    -- Another way to read it is that, in Belgium at least, some indoor sexual activities of 3 or more is essential. Is this porn making? Or is it just a sneaky exception for govt ministers?
    -- And anything outdoors still goes?
    -- Yet another way to read it is that if you are under age 3, the world is your oyster
    -- How many people does the health minister count as?
     
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  27. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 1,000+ Posts

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  28. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Upon further review ....

     
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  29. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    Ozone therapy?
     
  30. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 5,000+ Posts

    Joe,

    It will take five guys to carry in enough flour.
     
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