Does anyone want Herman back next year?

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by Htown77, Oct 11, 2020.

  1. Run Pincher

    Run Pincher 2,500+ Posts

    There are some truths in this, some opinions and some falsehoods. First and foremost, Charlie has been a failure at USF and he is not liked. He may be a good person, but not a good coach.

    Yes, TH's players are soft because he doesn't hold them accountable and panders to them. Mack's players were not soft. A couple of coaches drummed that up to recruit against Mack and kept saying it enough the media ran with it.

    Kasey Studdard was soft? Micheal Griffin, Derrick Johnson. Vince? Hell no. Mack even took players that came in soft like Micheal Huff and made him tough.
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  2. AustinBat

    AustinBat 2,500+ Posts

    I remember reading that during the summer before our NC Vince was holding mandatory early morning workouts. One day, according to the source, Michael Griffin told Vince he had to do something with the dogs he raised and wouldn’t be there. Vince told him that unless he wasn’t interested in winning a NC he had better be at practice. He was.
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  3. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    If we were so soft, how come we continually played better as games went on under Mack rather than continually blowing leads when the pressure came on?
  4. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 2,500+ Posts

    well thought out. if you were in the LHB now, would you play the eyes

    LHABSOB 1,000+ Posts

    Damn straight. Loud and proud and would expect every other member of the band to do it. I support a lot of the concerns on social justice and equality that have been brought up but for me the Eyes argument doesn’t hold water.
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  6. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 2,500+ Posts

    IDE, you're disagreed with a lot on this board. I agree with you that it's pointless. I think everyone's angered by the ignorance of the stance the players are taking. I think BLM and its followers are taking irrational stands against "white" traditions, not based on fact, but just to make us all insanely angry.... and I, dammit, am insanely angry....but I'm working on it...
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  7. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 2,500+ Posts

    Thank you.
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  8. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Here’s a breakdown of Texas coaching salaries (and remaining contract years):

    Tom Herman is set to earn $6 million in 2020; $6.25 million in 2021; $6.5 million in 2022; and $6.75 million in 2023
    Mike Yurcich, offensive coordinator, $1.7 million (3 - through 2022)
    Chris Ash, defensive coordinator, $800,000 (2 - through 2021)
    Jay Boulware, TEs/STs coordinator, $700,000 (3 - through 2022)
    Herb Hand, offensive line, $700,000 (2 - through 2021)
    Stan Drayton, running backs, $650,000 (2 - through 2021)
    Coleman Hutzler, linebackers, $600,000 (2 - through 2021)
    Mark Hagen, defensive tackles, $550,000 (2 - through 2021)
    Yancy McKnight, strength coach, $510,000 (2 - through 2021)
    Oscar Giles, defensive ends, $400,000 (2 - through 2021)
    Andre Coleman, receivers, $350,000 (year to year)
    Jay Valai, cornerbacks, $300,000 (2 - through 2021)
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  9. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 5,000+ Posts

    247 posted Herman's buyout as of Dec 1st at a smidge over $15 million. Its not $25 mil as has been previously rumored. We have pockets deep enough to afford that.
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  10. MajesticII

    MajesticII 1,000+ Posts

    This is where the song came from. It is part of this poem/song....Just because some ******** sang it in a minstrel show doesn't make its lyrics and its meaning as a school song racist....THE EYES OF TEXAS
    John Sinclair - 1903
    I once did know a President,
    Away down South, in Texas.
    And, always, everywhere he went,
    He saw the eyes of Texas.
    The Eyes of Texas are upon you,
    All the live long day.
    The Eyes of Texas are upon you,
    You can not get away.
    Do not think you can escape them
    At night or early in the morn-
    The Eyes of Texas are upon you
    'Till Gabriel blows his horn.
    Sing me a song of Prexy,
    Of days long since gone by.
    Again I seem to great him
    And hear his kind reply.
    Smiles of gracious welcome
    Before my memory rise,
    Again I hear him say to me,
    "Remember Texas' Eyes."
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  11. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Remember the rant about the song and the pledge to Not attend any donor events cane after Hernan's rant aboutnwhat bad fans we are
  12. PecosBill

    PecosBill 1,000+ Posts

    What is the total buyout for TH and staff as new HC will rightfully want he own staff?
  13. militaryhorn

    militaryhorn Prediction Contest Guru

    I just read a 247 story (tried to find it but couldn't to link) and they said donors are willing to pay 35 million to buyout the current staff and get a new one. Mentioned in the article was Meyer and Kyle Shanahan for new head coach.
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  14. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 5,000+ Posts

    Rod Babers said on his radio show yesterday that Kyle is a pro guy and probably would not come back to Austin. According to Rod they are still best friends.
  15. Run Pincher

    Run Pincher 2,500+ Posts

    He's also never had to do all the political tasks required to be a successful head coach at Texas, especially recruiting. I have my doubts as to how successful he would be regardless of his success in the NFL.
  16. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    In my mind the politics, especially now, are the killer for many of our possible coaching alternatives. Unless they feel a sense of wanna prove something who would want it.
  17. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts


    I would submit we don't have "our alternativeS" We got one "alternative" unless Chris could convince Saban to come, in which case I'll stand in line to buy the first ticket to watch Chris walk down Lake Austin.

    There are dozens of coaches that would jump at the job, some may be capable of doing it, but they are not on anyone's list.
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  18. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Understand your position and desired results. However if number one is to replace Herman I just think our ‘alternatives’ may be influenced by the atmosphere of Texas right now. Not necessarily saying those who would say no are our best or preferred choices just saying, imo, there are those who would see what’s happening (and been happening) and say no thanks I’ll go to _____, instead. I’m just very, very concerned and disappointed in what has become of something that means a lot to me.
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  19. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    You are correct that most that would apply or call their agent, won't because of the **** storm that is The University of Texas right now. Make no mistake, this all started with the blessing of Fenves before he was removed.

    That's why I think the list is small and repugnant to me, but necessary. Someone that wants the job, is capable of cleaning up Herman's ineptness, and someone capable of dealing with the politics, which will be much easier after Herman's failures.
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  20. Bill in Sinton

    Bill in Sinton 5,000+ Posts

    Right now I say one more year. We still have to finish this season and remember our loses were 2 very close games. We lose to OU in OT and lost to TCU on a fumble inches from the goal line. I think we have the potential to end this season strong. Hook 'em.
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  21. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    You mean one more year after this one?
  22. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Like the sentiment Bill. I think most of the consternation comes from the caliber of competition against which we have played poorly And struggled.
  23. rick mueller

    rick mueller Burnt Orange Bleeder

    Even though I am disappointed with performance and disgusted by the "Eyes" mess, I'm willing to wait another year. Problem is we lose a lot of players and may not sign a great class. This was supposed to be the year.
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  24. AC

    AC 2,500+ Posts

    This team is #1 in the Big 12 on talent. If TH can’t get to the B12 championship game with THIS team, he should be gone. 6-0!
  25. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    If we win out, he get's one more year. Consider that it took a football miracle to beat a very bad Tech team. If there is one more loss this year, Herman should be fired .
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  26. Sheldon Cooper

    Sheldon Cooper 100+ Posts

    This is my opinion.

    Texas is beyond the point of hiring some guy to come in and coach here. Texas needs a solution like the aggys have. Texas needs to hire a proven winner with proven ability to get the job done.

    The idea of hiring some young hotshot is no longer an option, that person will not come in with the necessary authority and respect to do the job.

    Honestly Urban is your man, anyone else is not an option.

    Also keep in mind, I'm pretty sure Urban would keep several members of the staff since he has worked with them in the past, hell half our staff was once his staff. To me, this is a good thing as I like the staff better than the leader.
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  27. erbutch

    erbutch 250+ Posts

    I agree with you,but at this point I dont care who they hire as long as they get rid of Herman and the malcontents. If we go 1-9 next year without this group it is ok.Just right the ship. Is RC still alive?
  28. PecosBill

    PecosBill 1,000+ Posts

    December 5 is decison time not October.
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  29. VYFan

    VYFan 2,500+ Posts

    As a hypothetical, if the team name were changed to the “Racism Overcomers,” the colors changed to black and green, and the songs and traditions gone, would you still be okay, as long as that team went 8-3?
  30. rick mueller

    rick mueller Burnt Orange Bleeder

    I wouldn't be okay with that if the team went 13-0 with an NC! Thinking even further, I do believe I mail would my diploma back frame and all.
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