Dumb Political Correctness

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Mr. Deez, Feb 8, 2012.

  1. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    I'm gonna give this a BIG push here. Feed the troll, as it were, because it seems there's an unwillingness to see beyond the scope of "sound societal doctrine" as you put it ...

    I didn't write this, but I approve this message:

    From a fellow veteran it hits the nail on the head!!

    An open letter to the NFL players:

    You graduated high school in 2011. Your teenage years were a struggle. You grew up on the wrong side of the tracks. Your mother was the leader of the family and worked tirelessly to keep a roof over your head and food on your plate. Academics were a struggle for you and your grades were mediocre at best.

    The only thing that made you stand out is you weighed 225 lbs and could run 40 yards in 4.2 seconds while carrying a football. Your best friend was just like you, except he didn’t play football. Instead of going to football practice after school, he went to work at McDonalds for minimum wage. You were recruited by all the big colleges and spent every weekend of your senior year making visits to universities where coaches and boosters tried to convince you their school was best. They laid out the red carpet for you.

    Your best friend worked double shifts at Mickey D’s. College was not an option for him. On the day you signed with Big State University, your best friend signed paperwork with his Army recruiter. You went to summer workouts. He went to basic training.

    You spent the next four years living in the athletic dorm, eating at the training table. You spent your Saturdays on the football field, cheered on by adoring fans. Tutors attended to your every academic need. You attended class when you felt like it. Sure, you worked hard. You lifted weights, ran sprints, studied plays, and soon became one of the top football players in the country.

    Your best friend was assigned to the 101st Airborne Division. While you were in college, he deployed to Iraq once and Afghanistan twice. He became a Sergeant and led a squad of 19 year old soldiers who grew up just like he did. He shed his blood in Afghanistan and watched young American's give their lives, limbs, and innocence for the USA.

    You went to the NFL combine and scored off the charts. You hired an agent and waited for draft day. You were drafted in the first round and your agent immediately went to work, ensuring that you received the most money possible. You signed for $16 million although you had never played a single down of professional football. Your best friend re-enlisted in the Army for four more years. As a combat tested sergeant, he will be paid $32,000 per year.

    You will drive a Ferrari on the streets of South Beach. He will ride in the back of a Blackhawk helicopter with 10 other combat loaded soldiers. You will sleep at the Ritz. He will dig a hole in the ground and try to sleep. You will “make it rain” in the club. He will pray for rain as the temperature reaches 120 degrees.

    On Sunday, you will run into a stadium as tens of thousands of fans cheer and yell your name. For your best friend, there is little difference between Sunday and any other day of the week. There are no adoring fans. There are only people trying to kill him and his soldiers.

    Every now and then, he and his soldiers leave the front lines and “go to the rear” to rest. He might be lucky enough to catch an NFL game on TV. When the National Anthem plays and you take a knee, he will jump to his feet and salute the television. While you protest the unfairness of life in the United States, he will give thanks to God that he has the honor of defending his great country.

    To the players of the NFL: We are the people who buy your tickets, watch you on TV, and wear your jerseys. We anxiously wait for Sundays so we can cheer for you and marvel at your athleticism. Although we love to watch you play, we care little about your opinions until you offend us. You have the absolute right to express yourselves, but we have the absolute right to boycott you.

    We have tolerated your drug use and DUIs, your domestic violence, and your vulgar displays of wealth. We should be ashamed for putting our admiration of your physical skills before what is morally right. But now you have gone too far. You have insulted our flag, our country, our soldiers, our police officers, and our veterans. You are living the American dream, yet you disparage our great country. I am done with NFL football and encourage all like minded Americans to boycott the NFL as well.

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    National boycott of the NFL for Sunday November 12th, Veterans Day Weekend. Boycott all football telecast, all fans, all ticket holders, stay away from attending any games, let them play to empty stadiums. Pass this post along to all your friends and family. Honor our military, some of whom come home with the American Flag draped over their coffin.
  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Cleveland Browns player Isaiah Crowell posted this in 2016 on Instgram (later deleted it)
    But last weekend, he was still kneeling on the US flag and the anthem
    He is making $2.7M to play football this season

  3. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

  4. bystander

    bystander 2,500+ Posts

    I'll tell you two more players who are pretty nervy (but hey, this is the American way): David Irving and Damontre Moore of the Cowboys. Both have come off of suspensions and have had character issues. So what do they do? They raised their fists after the anthem. Ok, freedom of speech. Nobody arrested. They're still on the team. But instead of returning to the field with humility for their failures and letting their team down they instead come back with their arrogance on full display. Those are the type of players I'd like to see cut. They aren't worth it. They are clearly about #1 and F everyone else.
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  5. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Boy do I ever understand. I came of age in a small town during the sixties and 70s. Nobody came out approving racism... but a lot of my neighbors and friends didn't like black "agitators" like Martin Luther King either.
  6. mb227

    mb227 1,000+ Posts

    That is NOT LesbianHaircut#6...
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  7. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    Yes. MLK and his peaceful protests were disapproved by more than 60% of the population at the time. My father was likely a disapprover.
  8. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    It's just a "weird chick" haircut. And let's bear in mind that she dated Marilyn Manson back in the day. That pretty much says it all.
  9. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 500+ Posts

    IMO, this is a move for headcount. They screwed up when they made the decision to allow openly gay scouts and pushed for gay leaders. The numbers are dropping precipitously and now they need bodies to pay the dues and pay for the summer camps. Grasping at straws with this move.

    And the Girl Scouts are pissed off. This wasn't a kumbaya moment. This was a land grab.
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  10. bystander

    bystander 2,500+ Posts

    As the proud parent of a boy (Life Scout; fizzled out at the end) and a girl I would selfishly say it's a lot easier to have them both in the same organization instead of separate meetings and camp-outs... but that's just me... we were so over-scheduled that it was ridiculous at times.
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  11. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 500+ Posts

    I can understand that. I've had three boys in the program with two already at Eagle and trying to do that with football, baseball, soccer and robotics is a chore...but that's not why the nationals made this move. They could have made that move 6 decades ago. This is not about inclusion. This is about funding and that is in response to a substantial reduction of new cub scouts in each of the last 5 years. If you don't have don't have new cub scouts, you don't have your pipeline for boyscouts.
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  12. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    I find the equating of the "MLK is too in-your-face and aggressive, he needs to know his place" complaints and the "I think snubbing the Anthem that represents the Nation is disrespectful" complaints to be quite disingenuous.
  13. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    I think, looking through the prism of almost 60 years, they're pretty fair. They're not burning the flag. It started out as a response to a culture that saw a poop ton of deaths of black people at the hands of police. The cigarette seller, Sandra Bland, the 12 year old in the park, etc. If you can't see there's a pattern then you don't want to see it.
  14. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Because we only get to see the initial reports on specific issues that are highlighted because they fit a narrative, and because there is so much noise in terms of what actually happened, and because of the sheer volume that have turned out to be at the very least an incomplete and slanted version of the events, it's hard to just jump on board with the idea that police are indiscriminately mowing down young black men in a way that's out of proportion with any other actions. It's been shown that statistically it's just not true. Simply calling cops racist and saying that the system is designed to kill black people is not helpful.
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  15. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Believe it or not I completely agree. I listen to people with contrary opinions though ... and I believe it extremely important that those people feel "heard."
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  16. Garmel

    Garmel 1,000+ Posts

    To put these clowns in the same sentence as MLK is an insult to MLK's memory.
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  17. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Yeah, these days everybody approves of MLK and his peaceful call for change ... even those of us who admonished black people to stop agitating and provoking people who left to their own devices would eventually accept their equality. Why "force' Bull Connor to use police dogs and firehoses on children and the elderly?
  18. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    Those are major contributing factors. See my "socioeconomic" reference above. That doesn't also mean that there isn't an unequal justice system.
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  19. Garmel

    Garmel 1,000+ Posts

    I'm willing to bet MLK didn't disrespect his country while doing it. Even Jim Brown, who was hardcore during the 60's, thinks these people are ridiculous.
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  20. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    I generally agree with you. Cases like Michael Brown can be at least looked at after the dust settles and understood and even justified. Many of them don't hold up. The ones I mentioned and the one where a guy is straight shot in the back running away. They don't point to racism to me as much as they do fear combined with a system that facilitates the status quo. There are MANY great cops that are still out there doing good things. It irritates me that BLM and Blue Lives Matter have to not be in congruence with one another.
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  21. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    Seems Veterans may be less polarized than the rest of us. 62% support players protests. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/m...tch-because-of-those-protests/article/2636892
  22. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Having heard this from at least one attorney I know, and just from general observation, the criminal justice system has a lot of issues that need to be addressed, and I'm not sure racism cracks the top 5. The comment about status quo is a big issue, and I think people forget that police are always going to close ranks by default, not just in issues where race is involved. It's understandable and every organization out there has a tendency to do it, but it's a problem.

    Heightened tensions are clearly a problem, and there's also I suspect such an issue with getting the "bad guy" becoming such a focus that some cops choose to open fire on someone who's fleeing, regardless of the offense.
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  23. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Instead of shooting, they should just work on their form tackling. After all, if the cops can run down Baker Mayfield and get him to the ground, surely they can do it with the common variety criminal.
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  24. mb227

    mb227 1,000+ Posts

    Sandra Bland was NOT killed by ANY member of law enforcement. She was someone with a criminal history who hung herself after getting arrested and likely pissing away her 'new job' after her family refused, for whatever reason, to post a next-to-nothing bond.

    Her Harris County history is well-documented to those who have access to files (as I do) and we already knew she was irresponsible as evidenced by her thinking she shouldn't have to pay numerous fines and fees owed in her home State of Illinois.

    But pointing out such things gets in the way of the narrative propounded by the left...
  25. mb227

    mb227 1,000+ Posts

    I can almost agree with unequal...had there been equality, Chad Holley would have been in prison many years ago instead of being continued on supervision despite several violations of the conditions of his felony probation.
  26. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    So we are telling the BLM believers that they are free to express their message, so long as they don't show disrespect -- and preferably not while irritating complacent white people? Works for me.
  27. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    The left's argument over this issue is pure idiocy. Preaching first amendment rights for employees while on the clock as representatives of their employer's company?

    I'd love to see players freely express their first amendment rights by raising the thumbs down in the air during the entire national anthem.

    See how that flies with the owners when said free speech is directly expressing a disapproval of America and not being sugar-coated as a social justice reform effort.

    Have the player explain himself in an interview that he flat out just despises America in general and does not support our warmongering military. Free speech, right? Guy is free to dislike his country and its troops if he desires.

    These 'expressions' are only being tolerated because the NFL is allowing the forms of expression that have been used.

    Do a repeated throat slash or a thumbs down during the anthem and see how much protection free speech in the workplace provides.
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  28. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    I'd be cool if they didn't make stuff up. I don't think I've heard anyone say they shouldn't be angry and vocal about actual issues of brutality toward innocent or helpless people. But those aren't the ones that get trotted out most of the time.

    If you're referring to the NFL issue, I'd say they can protest all they want, but my employer doesn't let me go in and stage demonstrations in our call center during work hours, or wear employer-branded clothes at a work function while making divisive political statements.

    I also find it interesting that the same people will argue that if your symbol means something negative to me, then it doesn't matter whether you intend it or not, it needs to stop. They will then turn around and say "you're upset because you're not interpreting the symbol in the same way as we do, so you need to get over it."
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  29. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    She's from out of state, arrested on a Friday and dead on a Monday. I've left a loved one in the jail over the weekend to let him learn his lesson. Is that uncaring?
  30. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    I think it a tremendous financial sacrifice for players and the NFL to offend old white guys ... cause that is where a good percentage of their revenue derive. It has cost Colin Kapenick a backup QB salary this year. It's going to cost the NFL billions. It's not the form of protest in which I would advise or participate. Then again, history class would be boring if we couldn't look back on centuries of testosterone-stimulated conflict.
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