Epstein Case

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by theiioftx, Jul 8, 2019.

  1. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    She can make a great deal if the prosecutors are genuinely interested in prosecuting child molesters. Are they? Perhaps they are generally, but are they subject to influence by extremely powerful people? You bet they are.

    Suppose both Trump and Clinton are guilty. Do you think for one second that between the two of them, they couldn't get a prosecutor not to play ball with her? Of course they could. And that's assuming they can't or wouldn't arrange her "suicide."
     
  2. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    Do you think she is being promised through her lawyer from Democrats that have a special interest for her silent that if she will they will pardon her the day they get the power no matter the fallout from it?
     
  3. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    No. Biden has nothing to gain by pardoning her. He has no reason to do anything that politically damaging just to save Bill Clinton's ***. Trump has more reason to make such an offer.
     
  4. theiioftx

    theiioftx 2,500+ Posts

    I am shocked Biden wasn't part of it.
     
  5. nashhorn

    nashhorn 2,500+ Posts

    You're kidding yourself if you think Biden would not pardon her if it could save Clinton. At least that is what I think.
     
  6. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    You really think they wouldn’t pardon for each other? When have the Dems ever been logical about anything? Besides I’m not talking about Biden specifically. I’m talking about whoever would be the next Dem President. The DNC always makes sure they have someone that thinks like them or willing to do what the DNC says.

    As far as Trump goes I read a report that said that Trump banned Epstein many years ago from Mar-a-Lago because a staff there reported that Epstein was inappropriate with her. It was reported they never seen him again after the ban.

    Also Netflix tried their best to link Trump to Epstein in “filthy Rich.” They would provide witnesses every time with people like Clinton, Winestein, Prince Andrew and many more, but not once they said anything about Trump or witnesses. They tried to insinuate Trump by showing pictures of them together like they are close friends when they were much younger pre-mar-a-lago ban even though they were just acquaintances at large mar-a-lago events. Actually that pic was at a large party at Mar-a-lago which everyone conversed with each other. Never once on flight log to orgy island or to Africa like Bill Clinton did 27 times.
     
  7. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    I don't think Biden or any likely Democratic President would pardon Clinton. There just isn't anything to gain by doing that, and it would be politically costly.

    Also, to be clear, I don't be think Trump was banging underaged girls with Epstein. However, he did know and hang out with Epstein. I don't think Biden ever did.
     
  8. 2003TexasGrad

    2003TexasGrad 2,500+ Posts

    Biden never needed Epstein to sniff young girls' hair.
     
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  9. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago. He knew what was going on. Whatever you think of Trump, he has good instincts and operates at a high level of self-preservation. Don’t let the TDS folks color your image of Trump as stupid, dumb, etc.
     
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  10. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    I don't think he's stupid or dumb. I think his instincts are erratic. Sometimes they're good. Sometimes they're atrocious.

    As for kicking Epstein out of Maralago, that doesn't prove he didn't do anything. And again, I'm not saying he did anything. I'm saying that it would easier to make the case that a guy who knew and hung out with Epstein (Trump) did something than that someone who never knew Epstein (Biden) did something.

    Unless Biden did something or that there was a plausible case that he did, he has little reason to pardon or interfere in the Maxwell case.
     
  11. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    Where you’re missing the point is the DNC is way bigger than the democrat President. They are just the person they push up front to relay their message. I do think Obama was the exception but only because he was aligned in what they wanted and he led that even from his days as a Senator.

    The Dems stick together and cover for each other every step of the way. Just watch committee hearings how the committee members disrupt interview sessions of their own.
     
  12. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

     
  13. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    The DNC's power comes from its ability to influence who the nominee will be. One the candidate has that locked up, the DNC loses most of its leverage, especially if there candidate will only serve one term, as Biden likely.

    Nevertheless, let's assume that Biden truly is nothing more than a handpuppet for Tom Perez and his friends on the DNC. They have nothing to gain by pardoning Maxwell either. It would just poison their brand needlessly to protect a guy who has been out of the White House for 20 years and who doesn't represent the modern party anyway.

    They stick together when it benefits them to do so. It's not absolute loyalty. For example, they circled the wagons for Ralph Northam and their rapist Lt. Governor, because Virginia can elect a Republican statewide under the right conditions such as an embarassing resignation. They had something to lose by throwing them under the bus.

    However, they screwed over Al Franken and John Conyers. Why? Because there was nothing to gain by standing by them. Minnesota had a Democratic governor, who would surely appoint a Democrat to replace Franken. Conyers's district was so lopsidedly Democratic that they were sure to hold that seat. In fact, Conyers was friggin Ted Cruz compared to who holds that seat now (Rashida Tlaib).

    Like Conyers and Franken, the Party gains nothing by protecting Clinton at this point. They would throw him under the bus in two seconds if not doing so would cost them something.
     
  14. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    Not benefitting them sticking together 4 months out from an election? Names that Maxwell might or will release could be a black eye for that whole party. Joe already has a creepy reputation with little girls and that falls right in line with how that party will be viewed right or wrong. It sure will be good campaign material for the republicans of every election race across the country. The DNC has a problem that they wish they could fix with just two sleeping guards.
     
  15. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Biden has a creepy reputation, but I'm not sure how that reputation gets improved by pardoning somebody who helped get little girls molested. If he did so, that would do far more to damage him than anything she would be reasonably likely to testify to in court. I'm sure there were some Democrats who ran with Epstein and banged underage girls, but I haven't seen any evidence that they are prominent enough to impact Biden or the DNC now. Bill Clinton definitely isn't. At one time, he was but not anymore.

    Having her offed is an entirely separate matter from pardoning her. I still don't think Biden or the DNC would order it - too risky for too little gain. Bill Clinton might.
     
  16. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    You may be right. But I think it comes down to how many Dems are on that list.
     
  17. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  18. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

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  19. theiioftx

    theiioftx 2,500+ Posts

    Attempted assassination of federal judge linked to Epstein yesterday. Killed her son and shot her husband while posing as a FedEx delivery driver.
     
  20. OUBubba

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    Deutsche Bank. Smoke....fire....
     
  21. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Sort of a reverse Woody Harrleson situation
     
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    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  23. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    Uh... This is Jason Bourne level **** now. The public needs the truth now. Who is trying to protect themselves? We need to know so that we can execute them.
     
  24. OUBubba

    OUBubba Reluctant and Bullied Sponsor

    This is more Scandal level stuff. b613.
     
  25. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    An Arkansan suicide?
     
  26. Chop

    Chop 2,500+ Posts

    It’s nearly impossible to dive into this stuff without getting swept up in conspiracy theories. Some of the conspiracies are probably true-in whole or in part.
     
  27. Chop

    Chop 2,500+ Posts

    There MAY be some rather shocking revelations regarding the involvement of the government(s) of other nation(s) in all this. Nations spy on other nations, including their own friends and allies. We do it, our enemies do it, neutrals do it, and our friends and allies do it. However, there are some things—like child sex trafficking for instance—that are so evil and so far beyond the pale, that they should not be done even in the interests of national security (of whatever nation). If it turns out a friend of our nation is behind this evil (and that’s a very big ‘if’), they should be very discretely forced to turn over the culpable individuals behind this who can then be killed and disposed of silently. Our nation’s friends should remain our friends, and we should continue to support them, but they can never do sh!t like this again (IF our nation’s friends are involved, again a very big ‘if’).

    Another possibility—Epstein and Maxwell were ‘free agent’ spies who, on their own, developed blackmail material on government and business leaders. They then sold it to whatever government would pay for it. Very few governments would not pay for nasty blackmail material on high level US and U.K. officials and businessmen.
     
  28. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    A federal judge is going through the docket of the case and unsealing documents in the Maxwell case, item by item. Some names of non-parties will be redacted.

    If I understand it correctly, the judge making the call is overseeing the criminal case in NY, however, the documents being unsealed are from a Florida civil case from 2015. And the credit here goes to the Miami Herald for pushing the release of the records


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