Fire Tom Herman

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by Austin_Bill, Oct 26, 2019.

  1. Pomspoms

    Pomspoms 1,000+ Posts

    My first thought about "walking up two lbs" was who's going to cover up the middle area behind the line?.….
    I also doubt we won't have any coaching changes cause TH just won't do it.
     
  2. MajesticII

    MajesticII 500+ Posts

    The hook and curl zones are being vacated by the late blitzes that don't have a chance to get to the QB anyway. Might as well bring 'em up so they have a chance to get to the QB or force a hurried throw. You can always drop any one of them into coverage to confuse the QB.
     
  3. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 1,000+ Posts

    So not only will you fire Tom Herman, you're ready to hire Nick Saban? My only response to that is "WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMAN BOMBED PEARL HARBOR"?
     
  4. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 1,000+ Posts

    That's all folks!
     
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  5. old65horn

    old65horn 1,000+ Posts

    the freshman at Bama are DL as I recall. Freshman regularly play in the DL. How many of 'Bama's freshman are DB.
     
  6. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 1,000+ Posts

    probably 4 and 5 star players as well. Might be better than a couple of our seniors playing on the dline (if we even have seniors playing on the dline)….
     
  7. MajesticII

    MajesticII 500+ Posts

    2 are DL 2 are LBs and 2 DBs are sophomores....Over half their defense is 2nd year or younger.
     
  8. dukesteer

    dukesteer 2,500+ Posts

    Again, look at how the defense performed last year, with upperclassmen and the best DE in the league. Certainly not stellar, with the same “late collapse” issues. Orlando’s scheme is not fooling anyone.

    We have a problem and I’m pretty confident that folks like CDC and the BMDs are not happy campers, and not persuaded by the excuses.

    To me TH seems just about as confused as CS was at this point in his third year. Herman is a much better coach, but I sense a similar “deer in the headlights” issue.
     
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  9. Austin_Bill

    Austin_Bill 1,000+ Posts

    The rest of this season is TH's rope he can use it to pull this team out of the hole its dug or he can use it to hang himself.

    There isn't a single game we shouldn't win by double digits left on our schedule. If he wants to roll with this staff then prove he made the right decision by winning out. I'm not asking for double digit wins, I want 9-3 season.

    If we continue to spiral out of control then he is a dead man walking and it's time to start the search for his replacement. I don't mean he will get fired after this season, but regardless, I expect nothing less than a conference title and playoff appearance next year. That is the standard moving forward.
     
  10. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 1,000+ Posts

    wow.
     
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  11. Pomspoms

    Pomspoms 1,000+ Posts

    You mean "was it over when Japan bombed pearl harbor?" We got to keep these things straight or our kids will be even more confused.
     
  12. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    No flaming from me. I only see the bottom-line and I don't know if the point of view of your post is being clearly explained to recruits.
     
  13. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 1,000+ Posts

    Um, apparently you're not an Animal House fan......
     
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  14. yelladawgdem

    yelladawgdem 1,000+ Posts

    I guess my only question is, is there anyone here that believes in their heart that TH is suddenly going to change his Urban Meyer/Cullen Blvd. background, untie the Longhorn Nation, create a love affair with Texas high school coaches, create the frenzy at the box office which requires adding more and more seats to DKR, win at least 10 games a year as a low water mark, be the winningest Power 5 program for a decade, win a ring, and play for at least one more? (And if so, what on earth do you base that on? Winning the Peach Bowl with Kevin Sumlin recruits?)

    Because we had that. And when his program slipped to what we are currently seeing, we couldn't kick him to the curb fast enough. In the most inelegant way possible. (For a school consumed with image, we fire coaches like bad high schools).

    We have gone down this road before. "Promising young coaches". We're Texas. We don't need to be a place known for "On the Job Training". David McWilliams. Charlie Strong. And now Tom Herman.

    The best indicator of future behavior is past performance. What is going to happen in year 4 that hasn't happened in years 1-3? How many Maryland's do there have to be? Iwould love to be wrong. Dear Lord I would love to be wrong. But the guy is more stubborn than Mack. Less charming than Mackovic. And apparently just as capable as Strong (who beat OU the same number of times that Tom has.....let that sink in).

    Talk amongst yourselves.

    :cowrose::hookem2::texasflag::usflag:
     
  15. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 1,000+ Posts

    Mack and Greg davis for a decade plus, pretty stubborn. John Mackovic, zero texas ties. Herman wins both times...
     
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  16. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    zucker's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. :cool:
     
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  17. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 1,000+ Posts

    And u mentioned cs, zero winning seasons...not even close.
     
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  18. MajesticII

    MajesticII 500+ Posts

    Did I say fire Herman ? Does he coach the defense ? My point is if Bama can play well with youngsters, Texas should be able to also. ( we were bad before the injuries hammered us )
     
  19. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 1,000+ Posts

    It’s um the title of the thread
     
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  20. dukesteer

    dukesteer 2,500+ Posts

    Yellow, this perspective just bugs me. Sorry.

    I’m in sales. If I set the world on fire from 2004 through 2009 and then sucked from 2010 to 2013, I would have been kicked to the curb...but before 2013!

    Mack wasn’t kicked to the curb. Geez. His program sucked for four years before Texas found the cajones to make a change. Good grief.

    If Herman isn’t the guy — and we really don’t know just yet — but if he isn’t, he should be replaced as soon as that becomes apparent. And we need to go out and find (or try to find) the best HC available.

    Yes, that might have been Mack Brown circa 2004-2009. It certainly wasn’t MB after that.
     
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  21. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 5,000+ Posts

    Duke, find the best coach and then make it impossible for him to say no. Not all schools can do that, but Texas can. No more PC or settling for anything less than the best.
     
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  22. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 1,000+ Posts

    This dumb thread is still going?!?
     
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  23. AC

    AC 1,000+ Posts

    We can make it a classic for laughs in a few years.
     
  24. MajesticII

    MajesticII 500+ Posts

    I don't think anyone WANTS to fire Herman and start all over again, but Herman has to acknowledge the issues with the offense and the defense and make the OC and DC fix them, or replace them with someone who can. Since we continue to see the same vanilla offense week in and week out and the same 3-3-5 defense, its obvious he isn't going to change anything. He sees it all as players not executing properly and injuries being the sole problem. His ego is getting in the way of success. Like Mack, its going to take VY type players to save him and get past the OU domination. That may not happen.
     
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  25. Austin_Bill

    Austin_Bill 1,000+ Posts

    This team and us fans need some good news.
     
  26. BurntOrangeLH

    BurntOrangeLH 1,000+ Posts

    Last I saw, Herman is not on the roster.
     
  27. dukesteer

    dukesteer 2,500+ Posts

    Neither is Dabo Sweeney, Nick Saban or, for that matter, Matt Rhule or Gary Patterson.

    :bow:
     
  28. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I do not want to derail the thread, but I do disagree. I think Sam may be our worst passing QB since the wishbone era. Even David Ash in 2012 had a better QB rating than Sam has ever had. Sam's numbers are greatly inflated due to the poor quality of defenses he has generally faced and the fact we throw a lot of screens/short passes. Sam has had at least a decent o-line for two years. Sam has had at least a decent running back for two years. Sam has had the best corps of WRs we have ever had for 2 years. He actually faced an average defense for once last week against TCU and it was curtains for his passing (and our unchanging offense). I am not sure if our terrible two minute offenses are more Sam, Herman or both, however, I will say the responsibility for those ultimately falls on the coaching staff, not Sam.

    Anyway, the is an agree to disagree topic and not the point of the thread as I know those that love his play are not changing their minds and those that do not will not. Herman has plenty of major issues that are unrelated to Sam. I am related to (and maybe Im tougher on him because of it, i dont know) and very much like Sam the person though. He is a great person and longhorn! I just would like Sam the player better at fullback. I will say Sam has vastly improved overall since 2017.

    I agree. In fact, I do not feel Herman deserves to be fired at all. I hold him to the same standards as I did Mack Brown and Charlie Strong. 7-6 followed by 10-4 followed by likely at least 8-5 means Herman has earned the full 5 years of his original contract barring a complete meltdown or other off the field circumstances.

    I do expect at least 10 win seasons in years 4 and 5. After year 5, I will evaluate as far as my personal opinion goes. If i do not see to see a lot more this season and in the next 2 years, I will not support more than 5 years for Herman.

    All that said, I posted my general criticisms on this thread. I think they are major coaching issues and will lead to long term problems. I do not believe Herman should be fired, but I am not particularly impressed with Herman so far either. I am not in the "fire" camp, but am in the "skeptically supporting" camp.

    I will also note that our university gets totally taken by coaches. There was no reason to give Tom Herman an extension after year 2. A lot of coaches have a good season years 1 or 2 then do not turn out great. That extension was not as bad as Shaka Smart's year 1 extension for losing in the first round of the NCAA Tournament (literally the same season Barnes was fired for the year before), but still incredibly premature.
     
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  29. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    Mack Brown's last 3 years: 25-14.
    Charlie Strong's 3 years: 16-21.
    Tom Herman so far: 22-13

    I will note, I understand why some fans are upset. Herman has to go at least 4-1 the rest of the way to have a slightly better record over his first three years than what got Mack Brown fired. Such fans do not feel that is an acceptable three year record.

    I personally do not feel such a three year record in unacceptable and think Herman getting us back to pre-charlie levels in three years is okay. Herman does not need to get us to pre-2010 levels in years 4 and 5 though. We fired Mack Brown because fans demanded pre-2010 levels once again.

    A major issue with Tom Herman is that he repeated an idiotic Charlie Strong decision and DOES NOT HAVE A SPECIAL TEAMS COACH.
     
  30. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    Was it over when the Puerto Ricans sunk the USS Massachusetts?
     

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