For Real ....Herman “IS” Done!!!

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by HoffHorn, Oct 3, 2020.

  1. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 5,000+ Posts


    I now know why you use that name, since it seems that you live in a different world. Normally I would say that I would like to meet "others", but I really don't.

    Herman has burned every bridge he had:

    Former players
    Season ticket holders
    Small Donors
    Regular donors
    HS coaches
    Coaches at other P5 schools

    The guy has no common sense, can't coach, can't recruit, can't build and maintain relationships.

    What's left? OH, he is really good at pissing people off and turning his back on his friends. We have unfortunately met the real Tom Herman, and it cost The University Athletic Department over $100 million with his actions.

    He is a huge liability and I don't want him around.
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  2. El Sapo

    El Sapo Bevo's BFF

    Damnnnnnn :lmao:
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    LHABSOB 500+ Posts

    I'm a TexasEx, I'm a donor and apparently the university thinks enough of me that they keep trying to plan my estate. But most of all I'm a fan and not for one minute did I take Herman's statements as a bashing of me. I often wonder if I'm truly in the minority as I have close friends who are alum and it seems pretty spilt those who think he was bashing and those who don't. But that's not the case here. The vocal majority on HF clearly took offense.
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  4. dukesteer

    dukesteer 2,500+ Posts

    With respect, I cannot understand how anyone who has read Herman’s summer manifesto could conclude that he did not throw Longhorn Nation under the bus. I have read it perhaps ten times. I have sent it to many individuals who have no interest in Texas or, for that matter, college football. Everyone is dumbfounded.

    I get that your and my filters differ, but his assertions are unequivocal, right there for all to see.
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  5. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    He has been here four years and all we have to show for it is winning seasons and bowl wins over teams that were favored. He gotta go
  6. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    If that's the standard at Blue Blood Traditional Program University of Texas, then hell yes, he's your man!

    For the rest of us, competing for, winning more than once a decade, conference titles and being part of the national conversation makes us so unreasonable in wanting his sorry *** gone.

    But please carry on with implying what ****** fans we are. Actually, WE are the good fans. Guys like you are the ones who are sycophant Sunshine Pumpers who are unrealistic.
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  7. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan 10,000+ Posts

    Sorry, all of you that want to defend TH or give him the benefit of the doubt. I cannot.


    TH threw the fans under the bus to placate and appease his players when it was unnecessary to do so. He could support his players without trashing the fans. His words were clear.

    You dont have to fully agree with me but you can acknowledge he made a reckless and unfair statement about UT fans.

    IMHO, his actions and his record will ultimately cost him his job.
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  8. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    I thought it was a bad hire from the start——yes, he beat OU, but in the same year lost to SMU and Navy. He got hired. There has been improvement and this year is a fluke. Ask Lincoln Riley.
    He stood by his players. If he had told them to back off you whiners would be crying about how he lost the team

    and this school’s football program has been mediocre more often than not. A few years of greatness under Royal, two under Akers and a string under Mack. All three got thrown under the bus. That is some Blue Blood there.

    and I am not implying you are zhitty fans. I am saying it. You are fans of winning and whining. You have my permission to crawl under the bus.
    I don’t like Herman but think he gets at least another year to show what more he can do.

    thirty year season ticket holder and thick or thin fan. And unless you have millions to push to the center of the table neither of us have a say in whether he stays or not
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  9. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 5,000+ Posts


    His actions/behavior cost him his job. I don't give a **** what he said about the fans, other than it shows his complete lack of understanding as to what it takes to succeed in college athletics at any level, much less the highest level. Again, he has NO COMMON SENSE!
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  10. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    Yep. Sycophant. You are the crappy fan. And have some balls and just write out the damn word "******". Are you ******* 19 years old and have to say "zhitty" for some odd reason? You really need to get a grip when you are going to call out some of us as ****** fans. Just be a normal person, for once, and say it normally. Not like some mental deficient. Mmmmkay?
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  11. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    I would type it out but the filter would blank it like it does to you. Zhitty works for me

    I don’t think you know what sycophant means as I pointed out I don’t like him and thought his hire was a bad move
  12. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    You're right. Sycophant isn't the right word. I know what it means. But calling us who are calling for TH to be gone whiners isn't correct either.

    Having the filter on on your end doesn't disprove the rest of what I said.
  13. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Honestly? I think if he just beat OU he’d be safe, but we all know how he has done at that. I’m thinking his beating OU at Houston had a lot to do with his coming here.
  14. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    If they keep this guy and let the next great coach slip through the cracks, it is easily another 10-15 years of crap football with an occasional 1990 or 1996 thrown in to keep us on the edges of our seats until the next DKR/Mack comes along.
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  15. dukesteer

    dukesteer 2,500+ Posts

    Connecting a growing number of dots, I am beginning to believe that TH will be terminated regardless of what happens the rest of the season.
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  16. 4th_floor

    4th_floor From now on, I want you all to call me Loretta.

    I would say a large fraction of the alumni / fan base took offense to Herman's comments. I am one of those alumni who was offended. Given that those alumni and fans are the ultimate customers for UT Athletics, then it was foolish for Herman to make the comments. Would a good employee recklessly make comments to large customers of the company? He would only if he didn't care if he were fired.
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  17. dukesteer

    dukesteer 2,500+ Posts

    Interesting take. I cannot give Herman that much credit. Some people that have high IQs often lack common sense. Herman seems to be one of those individuals. I believe that his comments were not well thought out, and driven by emotion. If indeed his comments were carefully analyzed prior to going public, then his judgment is even more suspect than I had thought.
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  18. 22Horn

    22Horn 500+ Posts


    huisa, not picking on you....

    "and this school’s football program has been mediocre more often than not. A few years of greatness under Royal, two under Akers and a string under Mack. All three got thrown under the bus. That is some Blue Blood there."

    please note the following records of 'elite' well respected programs over the years......!!

    not sure how Texas could be considered 'mediocre' except in terms of recent 10 years. Guessing all these could be considered 'mediocre' at some point

    Team games played wins losses win percentage

    Mich 1344 962 346 .729
    tOSU 1303 924 326 .729
    Bama 1290 916 331 .727
    Horns 1325 916 375 .704
    YALE 1351 916 380 .698
    ND 1276 908 326 .728
    Huskers 1337 902 395 .690

    PState 1332 898 393 .690
    USC 1252 847 351 .698
    Tenn 1294 846 395 .674
    GA 1310 831 425 .655
    LSU 1274 812 415 .656
    Clemson 1263 758 460 .618

    Auburn 1268 776 445 .631
    Ags 1283 749 486 .602
    Fla 1195 735 420 .632
    Ark 1271 717 514 .580

    FSU 853 559 276 .655

    Many of these teams have had great runs of many wins as well as some runs of losses but the win trends far exceed the runs of losses.

    Bama has had a very impressive string of 10-11 seasons of championship football but also has experienced several mediocre seasons until Saban arrived and actually stayed.....

    OU the same, Texas the same

    same for OSU, ND, USC, PSt , Neb and USC

    Clemson has 'not always' been as good consistently

    For several years the top winning teams were Mich, ND, Texas, Nebraska....seems that a lot of it is 'coaches'

    All others have had their Glory Days but not consistent as the top 10-12
    This should show that every team can turn it around; they all have.

    Right now to me, the teams that are in need of big winning seasons appear to be Texas, Nebraska, Ark, PSU, Tenn, Aub, Ags Ga and FSU

    FSU in this list because they were a power for several years but also because they have played far fewer games. Who knows where they would be i they played a similar num of games as any of the others
  19. 22Horn

    22Horn 500+ Posts

    Agree, Duke...! It will be very difficult re-building burned bridges even by winning out and getting to CCG

    'Connecting a growing number of dots, I am beginning to believe that TH will be terminated regardless of what happens the rest of the season.'
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  20. moondog_LFZ

    moondog_LFZ 2,500+ Posts

  21. EDT

    EDT 500+ Posts

    Sycophant definition, a self-seeking, servile flatterer; fawning parasite
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  22. rick mueller

    rick mueller Burnt Orange Bleeder

    Agreed 4th. I have stated elsewhere that my issue was the blanket statement he made. He lumped all of us into one group, implying that we are racist. Tom has never met me nor 99.9 % (that percentage gives Tom a HUGE benefit of the doubt!) of the people he made the statement about. Is not racism making generalized assumptions about large groups of people without actually knowing them? If so, what does that make Tom out to be?
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  23. Driver 8

    Driver 8 smoooove

    The university's plans for your estate proceeds clearly convey their deep concern for you and your loved ones
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  24. HoffHorn

    HoffHorn 250+ Posts

    I stand by my original post and whole heartily agree with Dukesteer & 4thFloor.
    TH is not likable AT ALL! and those paying attention to JoeFan and the recruiting page, high school kids and coaches apparently don’t like him either.
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  25. utempire

    utempire 1,000+ Posts

    Not defending what TH said although being a younger coach than most, he potentially relates better to the younger generation and players. His response should have been simple and not taking any shots to anyone. Beating ou is a requirement so if he's back another year he has to win it or that's it for sure. The only sure fire coach available to replace him now would be Urban.
  26. erbutch

    erbutch 100+ Posts

    Hopefully,we will lose to ISU and he will be fired and this will end this discussion.
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  27. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 5,000+ Posts

    If we are going to "hope", hope we beat ISU and Herman is gone anyway.
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  28. LonghornCatholic

    LonghornCatholic Catholic like Sarkisian

    Probably no secret, but heard from a friend of family member (I know, I know) that Ewers’ dream school is still Texas but he doesn’t want to deal with Eyes controversy and divided players/fans. Herman made things worse. I think he’s gone regardless how season plays out.
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  29. VYFan

    VYFan 2,500+ Posts

    I'll summarize:

    A. Herman has done better on the field than any other coach around here in the past 10 years, in wins, bowls, recruiting, etc. This year, while starting out as if it were going to be another Charlie Strong year, has recovered to be another Tom Herman year. A "Tom Herman year" at least so far is not winning the conference and not in the national discussion. However, despite all the criticism, we have just about never played a bad game under Herman. (Have we ever been blown out?) Despite my concerns earlier this year, he did not lose the team. They try hard every game to the end. All the teams started the year with very little coaching in place; UT over the season has improved relative to the rest of the country, meaning that as UT and other teams have had more coaching input, UT has improved more than others. That makes a decent argument that the 2020 issue could account for at least one of our losses.
    There are a lot of easy-to-see problems in games--dumb penalties, lack of special teams preparations, etc., but I'm not sure anyone other than the top top teams are avoiding that.

    B. Herman is not very likable. His self-importance and ego set people against him. Even his smile is a snarl. He is condescending. He does not seem like a guy I would want to go canoeing with. (I would love to go canoeing or camping with Donald Trump, or Barack Obama or Rush Limbaugh or Bill Clinton, just to give examples, but Herman would be down there with Hillary Clinton or Rick Perry.)
    When you are unlikable, you don't have much insurance against bad performance. People don't care about you personally, so there isn't a lot of grace waiting for you (since you don't give any).

    C. Herman made a huge strategic error to open up a second front (let's just say it was like opening up a land war with Russia in the winter) by trying to use his "platform" to influence social change among the fans and regarding the school traditions. I did and do feel personally affronted by the implications that I am racist--which I am not. I do feel aggravated beyond recovery that Herman would spearhead the destruction of the Eyes of Texas tradition. Especially because the factual bases for these political crusades are questionable (if not pure fantasy)--but that's off into politics. Most of the posters here would tend to align with me politically, and would therefore just be against what Herman is trying to accomplish, but the more important point is that as a FOOTBALL COACH, it demonstrates "no common sense," as SabreHorn said, to take your little freshwater bass boat out into the deep ocean water of politics for no good reason whatsoever. It should, and likely will, be the end of his job here, despite what I said in A above about decent coaching.
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  30. Creek

    Creek 1,000+ Posts

    I’m not sure you can pin the racial strife on Herman. It was going everywhere. Iowa even had issues. Okie State had issues, so did ATM. Mfers with thin skin were triggered. Shoot Minnesota has a slogan End Racism on the backs of their jerseys. I’m tired of “offended people”.

    Anyone going against the Horns when they are still in the hunt really sucks.
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