Germany's Refugee Crises

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Musburger1, Oct 21, 2015.

  1. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

    If Deez is in Germany perhaps he can shed light on whether reports such as this one are overblown or if things are getting quite serious.

     
  2. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    I don't put much stock in this video. It's full of unnamed sources and hearsay that are impossible to verify to any degree. Having said that stories of rioting, violence, and sexual assault are common, particularly in the shelters, and stories about overcrowding and a certain degree of mayhem in hospitals are reported from time to time, especially in Munich and other more heavily populated towns in Bavaria.

    Personally, I live in a pretty small and fairly closely-knit village. Migrants aren't coming here (and wouldn't be particularly welcome here), so I don't see any these issues first hand and can't speak for how common they are.

    However, two things of note. First, the Czechs have a reason to hype this sort of thing up. Though they're right next door, they don't have anywhere near as much ethnic and national guilt as Germany does, which means they're far more hostile to the "refugees" and want to justify not letting them in, particularly in the face of sanctimonious Western European countries who are condemning them and others who don't want to be overrun. This kind of story drives a narrative beneficial to that purpose, so some embellishment is probably common.

    Second (and on the contrary), the German media is very politically correct (more so than the United States'), and it's considered bad form when they cover stories that make the refugees and/or migrants look bad or dangerous. Accordingly, when they cover this kind of story, they do so reluctantly for fear of "fostering nationalism" which is the greatest sin a modern German can commit. If they can reasonably ignore such a story, they will.

    The bottom line is that the refugees/migrants probably aren't causing as much trouble as the Czechs think they are but probably are causing significantly more trouble than the German media reports.
     
  3. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

    Today Drudgereport has linked to several reports indicating the situation is becoming serious in Germany; both economically and politically. And likely to intensify.
     
  4. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    You are correct. Specifically, the Christian Social Union (CSU), which is the sister-party of Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU), is furious with Merkel. The CSU is more conservative than the CDU, and it's centered in Bavaria, which is taking the brunt of the migrants. If the CSU pulls its ministers out of the cabinet, it will destroy Merkel's coalition and create political chaos.

    She really needs to get the situation under control, and that means backing down from her previous stance. As things are going now, hardcore borderline national socialist groups like Pegida and the National Democratic Party (NPD) are making political inroads.
     
  5. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

    Deez, It's time for an on the ground update. See if you can find a Nazi rally or something and if possible take some photographs when you report back. :smile1:
     
  6. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    there was a nude girl with a sign. not posting a link but if you go to zerohedge you can read about the protest.

    Reportedly there was much, much, more widespread immigrant raping/groping all over Europe on NYE as the reports start to be discussed and RICO type assimilation.

    Do the Islamists believe they can force all European women to cover up? Can we keep them out of America for that reason alone?
     
  7. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

  8. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

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  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    In Sweden rather than Germany but .... a "welfare migrant" cut throat of his host family’s 7-year-old daughter

    http://10news.dk/?p=2165
     
  10. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    At volleyball game today in Poland

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  11. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    More reports just keep coming out. 500 ME men stormed a club in Bielefeld Germany on New Year's Eve and assaulted women even trying to drag women out if the club,
    These migrants clearly feel emboldened.
    Why wouldn't they? This crappie has been going ion for months with no retribution be authorities.
    Oh wait police did use water cannons on protesters
    Protesting the savagery of the migrants
    Germans just need to remember Merkel when she said migrants are going to be criminal
     
  12. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    What a disaster! BO keeps talking about the rapefugees being brought here being harmless women and children, but 70% are reportedly horny young men with value systems from the Middle Ages.

    Is this just another example of the Left distorting the truth because by the time the truth gets out the action can't be reversed?
     
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  13. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    Obviously, this was a terrible act and a tragedy for the family. However, I can't help but wonder what the **** is wrong with these parents. What parent lets some strange adult man of any background live with him and his young children? That's a gross dereliction of one's duty to his children.
     
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  14. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    You already know what kind
     
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  15. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    There are reports that over 70% of these euro migrants of young men of fighting age. In all the vids that are out seem to bear this out.
    The excuse for their sexual assaults is that in their culture it is not wrong. nd Europe wants more of these pigs?
    Abbott and all the other govs are right to protest BO sending any to their states.
    Here is a vid of an Hungarian driver running the Calais gauntlet. At the 5 min mark he drives toward the savages.
    No matter how much of it you watch do you see ANY women children or elderly?


    and BO mocked states not wanting to take women and children. Who wants to take Tasheen Farik or the 8 y o who kills infidels?
     
  16. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

    Two theories/explanations for the massive wave of sexual assaults:
    1. Premeditated planning via Twitter etc. by a criminal/jihad element embedded within the large population of "refugees."

    2. Cultural reaction - Muslims basically regard western women as sluts and prostitutes, and have no respect for them. Also, rather than being grateful for being taken in, they hate the west and blame them for destroying their homes.
     
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  17. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 1,000+ Posts

    But Donald Trump saying we should halt Muslim immigration to the US till we sort all this out is just incredibly stupid and naïve. Gotcha.
     
  18. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    Be careful of conflating the EU immigration problem with people (largely male) showing up at the border vs. those sitting in refugee camps. The males are the ones able to travel and clearly there is a significant behavioral/culture clash with those that have been let in. Our 12-24 month refugee review process is nearly exclusively for those sitting in refugee camps and family focused.
     
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  19. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Husker
    good point. Have you researched the actual vetting process? Who conducts it, where the data comes from?

    Phil
    NO Trump did NOT say halt muslim immigration.
     
  20. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    The FBI owns the investigation process and is ultimately responsible for vetting them. The FBI Director has publicly stated his confidence in vetting process.

    Trump said temporarily halt all Muslims entering the country, not simply immigration.
     
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  21. texas_ex2000

    texas_ex2000 2,500+ Posts

    Why the hell are these morons throwing rocks at the truck? These douchebags were given asylum to run-away from their country and live off the government dole.

    Seriously???
     
  22. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

    Found this explanation:

    Another myth which has to be broken is the naive notion that refugees are grateful for the countries which give them asylum. This is plainly not so. For many years I worked as an interpreter for the Swiss Federal authorities and I have participated in numerous interviews of refugees and I can attest that the vast majority absolutely despise the country they are asking to grant them asylum. There are several reasons for that. First, the vast majority of refugees are not political refugees, but economic ones. What they want is a share of the pie, of what they imagine to be the wealthy lifestyle of the West. Second, many refugees are from the underclass and even criminal word from the countries they left: usually petty thugs who fled their country’s jails. Third, since they very much feel the hostility and condescension of the local people, the asylum seekers return it in kind. Fourth, these “refugees” have no respect (or fear) at all from the local cops whom they consider as ridiculous clowns, especially when compared to the kind of police they would be dealing with in their own country. As for the local jails, they are often more comfortable than the homes they have left behind. Last but not least, refugees are mostly miserable, lonely, alienated and depressed and they have a lot of a lot of pent up anger and frustration. All this is a toxic mix which can result in all sorts of criminal behavior.
     
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  23. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    At least nine of those killed in the Istanbul suicide bombing are Germans
     
  24. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Husker
    You need to research further on the vetting process of potential refugees.
    But since you mentioned the FBI, from where does the FBI get their data on these refugees?
    Does THIS sound like the FBI Director is confident?
    "FBI Director James Comey hit on the issue at a congressional hearing last Nov 2015, when he told lawmakers, "If someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interest reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home, but there will be nothing show up because we have no record of them."
     
  25. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    That same statement could be applied to any immigrant from any country. If that's your bar then you must advocate not allowing a single immigrant into the US. Fortunately, the vetting process doesn't rely only on the results from a search of a database.
     
  26. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

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  27. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    I've heard that applications for hunting licenses (one of the few legal means for a German to acquire a gun) are up sharply as well.
     
  28. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Husker?
    "Fortunately, the vetting process doesn't rely only on the results from a search of a database."??
    What else does the FBI use ? Maybe ask them if they are terrorists?:rolleyes1:

    Can you provide a link that has the FBI Director saying he has confidence in the vetting of the syrian refugees?
     
  29. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    We covered this ground back in November: http://www.hornfans.com/posts/1420006/
     
  30. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Come did not express confidence back then nor did he explain what other measures the FBI takes . We have seen the processes used for other visas that resulted in Americans murdered.
    We have seen elected officials say terrorists will exploit the vetting process to get into our country.
    Why would we continue with a flawed system
    Why not step back and create a better system?
     

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