Discussion in 'West Mall' started by nashhorn, Sep 18, 2020.

  1. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    Are those people real or they actors?
  2. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

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  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  4. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    I don't have a personal hatred for her. By all accounts, she was personally a decent woman. My hatred is for her judicial philosophy, not for her. And I only hate her judicial philosophy because it's tyrannical.
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  5. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 2,500+ Posts

    Another solid argument, Billy.
  6. WillUSAF

    WillUSAF 250+ Posts

    Thanks sparky.....the abortion is stupid to me. Plain and simple. I don't believe for one bit its a religious issue (religion is its own issue) "but your killing babies" (BS!!!!!!)....You or no one else on this planet has ANY right to tell someone what to do with their body. ZZZEEEERRRROOOO
  7. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    Yeah. No one can tell anyone to wear a mask. My Covid my choice.
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  8. WillUSAF

    WillUSAF 250+ Posts

    Thats what is wrong with this country. "Falling in line" . It has influenced the public mind so much this country its sickening. If you hear the word "Democrat" ya'll go kicking and screaming without listening and compromising. Its the same for the "left". Compromising is a great thing. It works. Maybe they and ya'll should try it sometime.
  9. WillUSAF

    WillUSAF 250+ Posts

    That is your choice.
  10. dukesteer

    dukesteer 2,500+ Posts

    Preview of what it’s going to be like at about 9:30 central 11/3/20.
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  11. DrRad

    DrRad 100+ Posts

    I forgot to give the whole scenario-my bas. I was thinking he would resign in order for Pence to become President and pardon him-a challenge for him between the "shame" of resigning and the practicality of avoiding Federal Charges,
  12. dukesteer

    dukesteer 2,500+ Posts

    Only one party falls in line, in lock step with what they are told by their leadership. No defections. It’s not the Republicans.

    You can’t have much of a discussion when one side is constantly calling the other side racist, homophobic, Nazis and the rest, and then staying silent when their colleagues on the other side of the aisle are physically threatened in public.

    And you can’t have much of a conversation when one side is unwilling to acknowledge reality: the devastation brought on by Antifa & BLM.
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  13. WillUSAF

    WillUSAF 250+ Posts

    Wrong......the Democrats are not one party. Progressive, establishment and moderates are all fighting each other within their party. Case in point, AOC (progressive) made a statement the other day that if Biden (establishment) gets elected then their can manipulate him into enforcing some of she **** brain ideas.
    I do agree with you about the violence. It should be condemned.
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  14. Horn2RunAgain

    Horn2RunAgain 500+ Posts

    This would gruntle me to no end. Won't happen but one can dream
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  15. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    I totally agree. The baby should be consulted before a "doctor" cuts the baby's head off and chops its body up into pieces before it sucks the baby's body out with a vacuum.
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  16. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 2,500+ Posts

    Really Einstein? So you can’t tell someone not to walk around drunk, or drive drunk, or not to use illegal dugs? You can’t tell someone not use their body to beat up others, or to ***** themselves out? Is the pregnant mother killing a child with a late term abortion “telling” that baby something? You can’t jail someone for intentionally spreading AIDS? You can’t arrest someone for not wearing a mask?
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  17. dukesteer

    dukesteer 2,500+ Posts

    I really cannot fathom how anyone can justify partial birth abortions. Those in the abortion camp are so deeply vested in their position that amazingly — and sickeningly, they have chosen to ignore this obvious barbarism because they fear that if they don’t do so it will undermine their philosophical position.
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  18. 2003TexasGrad

    2003TexasGrad Trying this out.

    A baby is viable at 21 weeks. Its not just a woman's body. Its a human life at stake.
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  19. VYFan

    VYFan 2,500+ Posts

    Yes. Or, their actual philosophical position isn’t opposed to barbarism in the first place. (Well, there’s PETA—they don’t like stuff like this—do they?)
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  20. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    The problem with Ginsburg and others like her is that she, without any constitutional authority, didn't think you all should be allowed to even have this argument. To be clear, she didn't mind if you argued it while you're sitting on the toilet looking at your phone. However, she didn't think your elected representatives had a right to argue it when making policy.

    Will has a right to think outlawing abortion is stupid. Monahorns has the right to think abortion is killing a baby. Others have the right to think something in between. All three have a right for their state legislators to represent their views in writing policy. To say that either one of them doesn't have that right should require a VERY explicit constitutional limitation. There is no such limitation when it comes to abortion. Therefore, her view on this and other issues is tyrannical.
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  21. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Neither party is actually in full lock step very often. There are major divisions within the Democratic Party. Obviously you have political and cultural angles that unite them, but when it comes to specifics, there is quite a bit of disagreement.

    The reasons why it seems like they walk in lock step are twofold. First, Democrats are masters of the legislative process. They developed that from practice by controling Congress almost exclusively from 1932 until 1994. Accordingly, they are very good at avoiding votes that expose their divisions. How many votes on the Green New Deal have you seen in the House? None. Why not? Because Democrats know nothing good can come from such a vote. They'd have massive and embarrassing defections from the Midwest and the South as well as from industrial parts of California and the East Coast. So they just let their socialist members talk about it and let their opponents stay on the down-low.

    Second, the media's disparate treatment of intraparty dissent creates a false illusion. When a Democrat dissents, they basically ignore him. He doesn't get invited onto CNN or MSNBC. Political commentators don't gush about how courageous he is. When a Republican dissents, he becomes a hero. The entire national media says he's a principled statesman, and they invite him on all the TV shows to tell him how great he is. Accordingly, you hear about Republican defections far more.

    How many media articles and commentators hailed Jeff Van Drew and Collin Peterson for voting against impeaching Trump? Pretty much none. How many hailed Mitt Romney for voting to convict Trump? Countless. Of course, if he somehow became the presidential nominee again, they'd go back to talking about binders full of women and saying what a racist, sexist, and bigot he is. However, so long as he's generally adverse to Republicans, he'll be a hero.
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  22. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Do you know what a conspiratorial goofball you'll look like if that doesn't happen?

    Trump won't resign. Pence won't pardon him. Biden won't pardon him either, but there won't be federal charges. Is it because Trump necessarily didn't do anything illegal? No. It's because if federal charges were brought, it would be an enormous distraction to the Administration and potentially implicate it's own people.

    What did Trump do that would most likely invite charges? Probably something related to Ukraine. If he broke the law, that was it. That's what he got him impeached. Do you really think Biden wants to make that a big story again? Do you think he wants more talk about his coke-ridden, stripper-banging, child support deadbeat son somehow getting a $600K per year gig for which he had no qualifications from a gas company in a country in which he didn't speak the language? Probably not. Whether that was illegal or not depends on the specifics of how it was arranged. It's pretty easy for politicians to set that sort of thing up without breaking the law (or more accurately without making it easy to prove that they broke the law), but no fair-minded person doesn't think it stinks and looks very bad. Biden ain't going there if he doesn't have to.

    Trump would also likely beat a federal charge even if brought. Keep in mind that if one Trump supporter gets on that jury, he walks. Biden knows that too.

    The bottom line is that you're not going to get your wish either way.
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  23. WillUSAF

    WillUSAF 250+ Posts

    Einstein? Great come back. No you can not tell someone that they can't take "illegal" drugs or be a drunk. Your asking about assaulting someone? I hope that isn't an talking point towards abortion. If someone wants to be a hooker (the worlds oldest profession) who are you to tell someone that they can't go around and throw leg? I never said I agreed with late term abortions but it is not me or you or anyone else to tell a mother that she has to bring a baby into this world. "lets ask the baby" argument is in line with what the Dems had during impeachment. Spreading AIDS unknowingly to someone of course they should be jailed. who is being arresting for not wearing a mask? Come on...
    We will never agree to disagree on this argument (which is fine). That is the difference between political ideologies, you think were right and I know that I am right. thanks for listening sparky.
  24. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    It's murdering a child. That's not a goddamned woman doing something with HER body. What the hell's wrong with you?
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  25. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 2,500+ Posts

    It isn't what we know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so.
    -Artemus Ward

    Right or wrong, not only can you tell someone not to:
    be drunk, take illegal drugs, be a hooker, or walk around without a mask,
    you can actually take away their freedom if they do so.

    Think about this and your argument concerning assault:
    "The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes an embryo or fetus in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."[1]

    The law is codified in two sections of the United States Code: Title 18, Chapter 1 (Crimes), §1841 (18 USC 1841) and Title 10, Chapter 22 (Uniform Code of Military Justice) §919a (Article 119a).

    38 States have similar laws.

    I see, it's okay to spread Covid but not AIDS. :rolleyes1: You do realize there are laws stating you have to wear a mask in some jurisdictions, right?

    While your are busy "knowing you are right", you may want to change your contention that "we will never agree to disagree on this argument".
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  26. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    I find it telling that I have not seen one gloating cheering unfeeling tweet or remark by any Conservative right wing notable or pundit.
    The trash celebrating Scalia's death was and still is sickening.
    I did not like her attitude toward our constitution but she was consistent . She deserves respect.
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    Last edited: Sep 20, 2020
  27. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    It's always acceptable and goes unchallenged to make extremely hurtful and disparaging remarks about conservatives. They "celebrate" women and blacks, etc., except Palin, Conway, Elder, Carson, et al. It's okay to make remarks against them. Simply disagree with any woman or black Democrat and you are sexist and/or racist.

    And, one of the rare times I will disagree with you. Yeah, RBG was old. So what. She has hurt the country by clinging to her seat to her dying day.
  28. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    Many Dems are saying the same thing except they are angry she did not resign during Obama

    But you are not chortling over her death
    So many Dems did over Scalia
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  29. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    I have read that she didn't want to be replaced by Obama or his successor, unknown at the time.
  30. Run Pincher

    Run Pincher 1,000+ Posts

    You're is the contraction form of you are.
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