Happy Columbus Day!!!

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by mchammer, Oct 11, 2020.

  1. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Same now in essence. But now they use central banks to steal from us and manipulate elections to keep themselves in power.
     
  2. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Mona,
    :lmao: and :clap:
     
  3. guy4321

    guy4321 500+ Posts

    I know I'm 20 days early but wanted to wish everyone a Happy U.N. International Day of Peace! Somebody should've reminded the ******* on 620 of that this morning.
     
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  4. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    Any time I look at my arrowheads and consider that people once made war with weapons made of stone I think it must have been pretty hairy for them when the revolver popped up

    the Spaniards showed up with war dogs and horses and primitive firearms. Game on
     
  5. guy4321

    guy4321 500+ Posts

    True, not gonna win a war with bows and arrows over guns. It was very interesting to learn that Indians didn't use horses until the Spanish introduced horses to the Americas.
     
  6. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers 1,000+ Posts

    Hard to use what you don't have.

    If you're interested in why the Euro's sailed to American and conquered them, instead of vice versa, there's a great book called Germs Guns and Steel, which goes into detail as to why the Euro's had such a technological advantage over the Indians. One contributing factor was the total lack of domesticatible animals in the western hemisphere, save for the llama in South America, and hard to ride into battle on one of those.

    While the Euros had chickens and geese for food, horses for riding and transportation, cows for food and plowing, hogs for food, and others, that allowed for a stable food system to be developed, and division of labor. As well as the transport and building capabilities using horses and cattle to drag things around.
     
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  7. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    They just never tried to domesticate buffalo.
     
  8. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers 1,000+ Posts

    They may have tried, with the effort to domesticate them reserved for those in the tribe they needed to get rid of.
     
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  9. guy4321

    guy4321 500+ Posts

    Definitely an interesting topic. Thanks for the book name. Specific to horses, I just assumed they had been in the Americas well, forever like the buffalo.
     
  10. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    The book referred to is an interesting read, as is 1491, about the state of affairs here before Columbus showed up.. Both will reward the reader for the time spent on them.

    A fellow who taught at UT for years wrote two books worth reading that are somewhat related. His name was Alfred Crosby and he taught history and American Studies. His two tomes are The Columbian Exchange and Ecological Imperialism.

    Don't be scared off by the second title. It is about the ecological changes wrought by the introduction of alien plants and animals into various world ecologies. For example, the Spaniards brought horses and cattle to Texas. Made a difference in the ecological world.

    The Columbian Exchange discusses little changes, like tomatoes in Italy and potatoes in Ireland. Both of these books rattled the history profession and basically created a new way of looking at the spread of European influence. I did undergrad and grad studies in history at UT and reading these two books years later shook me in my way of thinking that nothing else did except the study of geology
     
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  11. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    1491 is a great eye opening read. Enjoyed it. Listening to “Political history of the United States” in a series of podcasts on Spotify - interesting even though author a bit fond of himself. He has some good points on the early colonists but I should confess I only catch about 60-65% of it because I mainly listen when doing chores or working out at gym.
     
  12. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

     
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  13. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    The replies to this tweet are legendary. If I was Liz Warren, I'd keep my head down and my mouth shut on this day.

     
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  14. guy4321

    guy4321 500+ Posts

    And Liz couldn't.

    Anyway, Happy Columbus Day! Having some Italian wine with dinner to celebrate!
     
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  15. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Like this one?
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  16. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Do these idiots know that it's Columbus Day as a matter of federal law? If you call is something else, you're denying reality. It's no more accurate than if you called MLK Day "Nathan Bedford Forrest Day."

     
  17. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    I think they should change the law to celebrate Indigenous People Subjugation Day.
     
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  18. guy4321

    guy4321 500+ Posts

    Getting serious for a minute. If people don't like Columbus, that's fine, but I don't understand the love for an Indigenous People Day. Columbus is hated for personally and generally starting European fighting and taking over of the natives. But, that's exactly what the indigenous people did minus the European part. The Aztec, Maya, Inca, and Chimú all have modern day documented mass graves. The Cherokee enslaves blacks and worked with the American Confederacy to fight the Union. How the f**k can you celebrate that or ignore that for the good parts of the indigenous folks while claiming Columbus was all bad? Yes, I know white skin...
     
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  19. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Because they were the victims of disease and a more powerful opponent and that is what counts nowadays.
     
  20. guy4321

    guy4321 500+ Posts

    "more powerful opponent" - doesn't that mean Cherokee are bad?
     
  21. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    You have to look at the real motivations. Columbus isn't hated because he began the colonization or conquest of the Americas. The left routinely has no problem with conquerors. He's hated, because what he did represented a major expansion of Western and Christian influence.

    It's a little like the Nazis. Most of us don't like Nazis because they waged a nasty war and were hardcore antisemites. But the left is ok with wars of conquest and routinely celebrates antisemites. They hate the Nazis because they were anticommunist and invaded the biggest communist country.
     
  22. Facing Addiction

    Facing Addiction 250+ Posts

  23. guy4321

    guy4321 500+ Posts

    Fair explanation. Another funny thing is how bizarre to have Hispanic Heritage Month run September 15 to October 15 and then stick Indigenous Peoples Day in the middle. Hispanic Heritage Month did come first, and Columbus Day, which means Indigenous Peoples Day, can only be a date between October 8th and October 15th, inclusive. If we are going by how many indigenous people were killed by Europeans, aren't Spaniards (i.e the origins of Hispanics) way ahead of all other Europeans? How can you celebrate those two together? Hispanic Heritage Month and Indigenous Peoples Day are diametrically opposed to one another! At least Hispanic Heritage Month and Columbus Day make sense together.

    Yes, I know the start date of Hispanic Heritage Month was selected as September 16th is Mexican Independence Day (and other Latin America countries), and Indigenous Peoples Day is to combat Columbus Day.

    I love how they just throw in there the 'and likes Christopher Columbus'. Ah no wonder you shouldn't be allowed to care for your own child!
     
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  24. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    You're right. Logic and standards never into the equation. If you can come up with a reason to bash Whitey, then you bash Whitey. It's really that simple.
     
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  25. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

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  26. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    mchammer, I think we travel in the same circles. I saw that meme on Twitter earlier. Also, West Africans committed human sacrifice and enslaved their own people.
     
  27. guy4321

    guy4321 500+ Posts

    And bizarrely, the main African doing that, King Ghezo of Dahomey, is portrayed as a good guy in the recent film named "The Woman King."
     
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  28. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers 1,000+ Posts

    The French ended up taking care of Dahomey, with about 500 troops wiping out their whole military, as rifles beat spears by a considerable amount.

    That movie was laughable - they tried to say the worst slave trading nation in west Africa was against the trade. It was as if someone made a movie about the US Civil War where the Confederacy went to war to stop slavery, with J Davis being the abolitionist hero of it all.
     
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  29. guy4321

    guy4321 500+ Posts

    Oh the irony of black Africans fighting to keep the trans-Atlantic slave trade going while the white Europeans from Britain were doing a naval blockade to stop it in 1851-1852.
     
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  30. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    We should honor the Comanches on IPDay. They ran the Apaches out of Texas and then moved to Oklahoma
     

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