Help with game prediction contests

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by Dionysus, Aug 13, 2019.

  1. Dionysus

    Dionysus Idoit Admin

    @Sangre Naranjada — I’m working on the spreadsheet and reading your proposed method, the actual final score (31-27) spread came to 4 points. So contestant A would calculate at 3+6+4 rather than 3+6+3 since the spread is 4, no? What am I missing?
     
  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Someone went big with long Strong

     
  3. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Contestant A and B guessed the spread would be 7 points. The actual spread was 4 points. 7-4=3
    Contestant C guessed the spread would be -4 points (from the perspective that Texas would lose). The actual spread was +4 (Texas won), thus a total of 8 points assigned to Contestant C
     
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  4. Dionysus

    Dionysus Idoit Admin

    Got it — the spread calc in this case is just how far off they were from actual.
     
  5. Dionysus

    Dionysus Idoit Admin

    I think we have a good prediction model now.

    Thanks to @Sangre Naranjada for the method and answering questions while I worked on it.

    The Delta column is the calculated number based on how close the pick was for three data points:

    1. Texas’ predicted score and reality
    2. Opponent’s predicted score and reality
    3. Difference between predicted and actual spread

    Lower delta indicates the more accurate prediction. Picking the final score exactly would result in a delta of zero.

    If someone picks the wrong winner the Delta column just gets a “-” rather than a score

    Example 1: TEXAS wins 48-17

    Dukesteer wins here with a delta of 2



    HFTEXASLA TECHDelta
    Driver 8522414
    dukesteer48182
    FWHORN452726
    gahornphan4044-
    Garmel382128
    George Bailey372334



    Example 2: TEXAS loses 20-28

    Dukesteer wins here with a delta of 16


    HFTEXASLA TECHDelta
    dukesteer172016
    easy3417-
    EDT173520
    FWHORN4527-
    gahornphan404440
    Garmel3821-
    George Bailey284126
     
  6. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Why does dukesteer get to win both times? How much payola did he provide you?
     
  7. Dionysus

    Dionysus Idoit Admin

    tree fiddy
     
  8. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    Assume you get the winner right. If W is how far off you are from the winner's score, and L is how far off you are from the winners score, it looks like "delta" is 2W + 2L if you were off in opposite directions (one too high, one too low), and W + L + |W-L| if you were off in the same direction (both high or both low). That seems reasonable.

    In other words, you always have "bad points" equal to the sum of W and L for the individual teams. For the spread, you either gain "bad points" either to the sum of W and L again, or to difference between W and L. Harder to say than it is to do, but the mathematical logic of that is fairly simple and elegant.

    This way, if the real score is 31-10 and the predictions are 34-13 and 34-7, both guesses were off by 3 for both, but 34-13 has a better delta because his spread was correct and so he has a delta of '6', whereas 34-7 has '12'. So the tipping point where getting the spread exactly right wouldn't be enough due to going way over the total points is that 37-16 would be an equivalent to 34-7, but 38-17 would be worse.

    TL/DR formula seems reasonable.
     
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  9. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Woof. Stat brings the heavy math!
     
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  10. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    I just realize I can state that a simpler way. If you were off in opposite directions, your delta is 2W + 2L. If you were off in the same direction, it's either 2W or 2L, whichever is larger.

    The result is you end up with everyone having an even number for a score, since everything is getting doubled (because every point off from reality affects two things, both that team's score and the overall point spread).
     
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    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

     
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