Herman's Staff

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by Badass, Nov 26, 2016.

  1. bystander

    bystander 2,500+ Posts

    Maybe we should have hired Bucky Godbolt.
  2. X Misn Tx

    X Misn Tx 1,000+ Posts

    Who were the other OC candidates and RB Coach candidates that were possible upgrades over Beck and Drayton? Are these choices unsatisfactory to some because they have better options in their minds as realistic options? If so, I'd consider that in forming my opinion.

    You play the hand you're dealt. Maybe there were better candidates who were realistic options? Not pie in the sky?
  3. bystander

    bystander 2,500+ Posts

    I got nothin'...
  4. car54

    car54 1,000+ Posts

    You are talking about kids who have no self-discipline, not athletes.
  5. dukesteer

    dukesteer 1,000+ Posts

    Well, if that's true, perhaps I should apply. For a cool $500,000/year I could "do the same darn drills, ..." :bow: In fact, I'm available for $450,000 per.
  6. HornSwoggler

    HornSwoggler 1,000+ Posts

    I don't think Beck was Herman's "oh ****, I gotta have someone" choice. I think he was a piece of the plan Herman has been working on for awhile. Maybe not his first choice if reports that Major was going to return to Austin but a good plan has options if first choices are not available. Everything Herman has done appears to be part of his plan and seems pretty well thought out and based on past experiences with his new staff members. I especially like that the choice was held close to the vest through the bowls. Kind of refreshing that it wasn't leaked.
  7. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 5,000+ Posts

    Yeah, but you know, car54 says different.
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  8. X Misn Tx

    X Misn Tx 1,000+ Posts

  9. Dionysus

    Dionysus Admin Moderator

    Trey Haverty hired as Quality Control Analyst

    Link in the first tweet didn’t work for me, FYI

  10. LonghornCatholic

    LonghornCatholic Romantic Catholic

    Whats his major function?

    Welcome coach. :hookem:
  11. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 2,500+ Posts

    What exactly does a quality control analyst do?
  12. militaryhorn

    militaryhorn I've Been Working on the Railroad...

    They control the management of the quality:thumbup:
  13. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 2,500+ Posts

    Sounds like government experience is required.
  14. militaryhorn

    militaryhorn I've Been Working on the Railroad...

    I applied since I have 22 years of it, but I also have common sense. Because of that, I was eliminated for consideration. Unfortunately, it takes my name out of the hat for any government job.
  15. moondog_LFZ

    moondog_LFZ 1,000+ Posts

    Wasn't Sarkisian the same thing at Bama only on offense?
  16. Dionysus

    Dionysus Admin Moderator

    From AthlonSports.com:

    Behind the Scenes: What Exactly Do Alabama Football Analysts Do?

    The Crimson Tide and others have beefed up support staffs. A look inside the life of analysts.

    A chance meeting with Alabama offensive coordinator Lane Kiffin in Atlanta in 2014 presented Keary Colbert with a tough decision.

    Colbert, a standout receiver at USC from 2000-03 and an NFL wideout from 2004-11, was then the wide receivers coach at Georgia State when he attended a Georgia high school coaches’ luncheon and bumped into Kiffin, a familiar face from his days with the Trojans.

    Kiffin mentioned the possibility of Colbert joining Alabama as an “analyst.” For Colbert, taking the position would mean leaving a full-time assistant coach job with a program that had just moved up to the FBS and the Sun Belt.

    One path was traditional for a young assistant — a position coach with a fledgling program. The other was an off-field role with the premier power in the sport and the nation’s top coach in Nick Saban.

    Colbert chose Alabama, where he spent the 2014 and ’15 seasons as an offensive analyst on a coaching and support staff that has grown to include eight analysts who work with nine position coaches and four graduate assistants.

    “I had to make a decision to leave a full-time job and go to Alabama and learn from Coach Saban and learn from his program and people on his staff,” Colbert says. “It was a growth opportunity for me to get underneath that umbrella and to use those experiences going forward.”

    Many programs have expanded their own support staffs in recent seasons. Colbert, for example, left Alabama to be an offensive administrative assistant at USC, one of four total administrative assistants on Clay Helton’s staff.

    Auburn had six analysts last season, including one hired away from Alabama. Jim Harbaugh’s first staff at Michigan included five aides with some variation of the title “analyst.” Florida State’s staff last season included 12 assistants with the words “quality control” in their titles.

    Whether teams call them analysts, quality control coaches or administrative assistants, the poster child of the practice is Alabama.

    The Crimson Tide first had three members of their staff listed as analysts in 2010, then six in 2011 and 10 in 2012 before settling on eight in each of the last three seasons.

    Their roles are a blend between graduate assistant and advance scout. Unlike a quality control position in the NFL or a graduate assistant in college, analysts are not among the group of coaches the NCAA allows to instruct players. Analysts and quality control coaches, like GAs, are not permitted to recruit. By NCAA rules, GAs also must be enrolled as graduate students, as the name suggests. Analysts do not need to be enrolled in classes.

    “It’s kind of taken to the pro format,” Helton says of his staffing at USC. “When you look at the NFL, you have the first assistant and second assistant. You have a full-time coach who is actually coaching the position and a quality control that’s getting a lot of the work done for the coach from a cut-up standpoint or computer standpoint. It’s almost like he has his own assistant for meeting preparation.”

    Many former and current analysts at Alabama are similar to Colbert — young coaches looking to move up in the profession. Since 2010, most of Alabama’s analysts have been previously graduate assistants or video coordinators in Tuscaloosa or elsewhere. Others were full-time assistants at the FCS level or high school coaches.

    “The fact that we can have a few extra guys now to be analysts, to break down film, to do quality control-type work, I think as an entry level that is beneficial to some guys that can move on maybe to be graduate assistants, get on the field and get some coaching experience,” Saban said during his team’s preparations for the National Championship Game against Clemson.

    Dan O’Brien joined the Alabama staff in 2007 as a graduate assistant after serving one season as scouting assistant intern with the New England Patriots and one season as a safeties coach at Harvard. When O’Brien, the son of former Boston College and NC State coach Tom O’Brien, finished his graduate work, Alabama wanted to keep him on the staff. The Tide added him in their first wave of analyst hires in 2010.

    O’Brien describes the role as the college version of an NFL advance scout, reporting tendencies noticed on film.

    “It saved the full-time coaches from doing a lot of extra stuff,” says O’Brien, who is now the secondary coach at Navy. “You try to take a little off their plate and allow them to focus on the game-planning aspects of things.”

    Only three analysts were on the Alabama staff when O’Brien was there — he left Tuscaloosa to become the defensive backs coach at Elon — but the role of analysts as extensions of the coaching staff was clear. O’Brien worked in conjunction with defensive coordinator Kirby Smart, who is now the head coach at Georgia.

    “For my four years there I was Kirby’s shadow, other than the on-the-field stuff,” O’Brien says. “If Kirby needed something, I’d make sure it got done.”

    During his time as a high school coach in Mobile, former Alabama cornerback Kelvin Sigler had been trying to break into college coaching, and specifically with the Crimson Tide. He went after director of player development positions that were eventually filled by Jeremy Pruitt (now the defensive coordinator at Alabama) and Kevin Sherrer (now the outside linebackers coach at Georgia). Sigler’s foot in the door was an analyst position in 2012. His job was to work closely with Pruitt, who by then had been promoted to defensive backs coach, on breaking down film and installing game plans.

    “It doesn’t put a lot on one GA or intern to break down film because you have so many guys who can do those things,” says Sigler, who has been the linebackers coach at Northern Illinois and South Alabama since leaving his analyst position. “It speeds up the process with so many people you can depend on.”

    When Sigler was hired, he brought with him his longtime friend and assistant at Blount High School, Chris Samuels. An Outland Trophy winner at Alabama and a Pro Bowl tackle with the Washington Redskins, Samuels also was looking to break into coaching.

    He took a graduate assistant position for two seasons, working on the sideline, holding up cards and signaling plays. After earning a degree, he moved to an analyst role installing the offense for the scout team.

    Having a connection to Alabama or the coaching staff is a good way to get an analyst position, but old-fashioned hard work (and being cordial) landed Samuels as a graduate assistant and then as an analyst.

    Samuels left college coaching to become the coach at Manassas (Va.) Osbourn High School.

    Jules Montinar, a former player at Eastern Kentucky and graduate assistant at Purdue, didn’t have any connection to Alabama other than seeing a job open up on FootballScoop.com. He sent a résumé and followed up several times and left a positive impression with Saban’s administrative assistant Linda Leoni. When Smart and then-director of player of development Glenn Schumann were down to the final candidates, Leoni mentioned Montinar.

    “Kirby called me and two days later I was on the plane interviewing,” Montinar says. “The rest is history.”

    Montinar, who is now the cornerbacks coach at Texas State, ended up working closely with Saban. As other analysts worked side-by-side with assistants, Montinar drew the assignment of coaching cornerbacks with Saban.

    “You’ve got to bring your ‘A’ game every time,” Montinar says. “There’s nowhere to hide.”
  17. Dionysus

    Dionysus Admin Moderator

    From USA TODAY

    Analysts provide manpower and brainpower to football powers

    They are the coaches behind the coaches, pouring over hours of video and logging plays. They spot trends and make suggestions. Their work produces the building blocks of a game plan.

    They have duties similar to graduate assistants, but without having to juggle all that school work. They have titles such as quality control coach, administrative assistant and analyst. Analyst was Steve Sarkisian’s job at Alabama until a week before the biggest game of the season when he was promoted to offensive coordinator.

    The former Southern California coach will be calling plays for the Crimson Tide, replacing Lane Kiffin when No. 1 Alabama (14-0) faces Clemson (13-1) on Monday in the College Football Playoff national championship game.

    “We’d still watch a lot of tape, still try to game plan, then offer up as much advice as I could to the game plan, then to the coaches,” Sarkisian said Saturday. “Then it was more sit back and analyze how we were performing.”

    The NCAA allows just nine coaches to directly instruct players on the field during practice and games. Four graduate assistant coaches are also permitted. Those spots are generally held by aspiring coaches and they must be working on a graduate degree. They are allowed to work with players at practice and be on the field during games, but the bulk of their work is in the film room.

    At powerhouse schools such as Alabama and Clemson support staffs have grown in recent years to include coaches who don’t carry whistles. Sarkisian, who was fired by USC during the 2015 season, was hired by Alabama coach Nick Saban as an analyst earlier this year.

    Former New Mexico coach Mike Locksley [Former UT QB recruit Kai Locksley's dad], who was most recently the offensive coordinator at Maryland, is also an offensive analyst for Alabama. As is Charlie Weis Jr., the son of the former Notre Dame and Kansas coach, and former Crimson Tide offensive lineman William Vlachos. Dean Altobelli, a former Michigan attorney who played for Saban at Michigan State, has been a defensive analyst at Alabama since 2010.

    They generally make about $45,000 per year, at least at the start. Clemson’s senior analysts make up to $90,000.

    “You want to talk about the lifeblood of the operational football part, the X and Os part?” Alabama offensive line coach Mario Cristobal said. “They are essential and critical.”

    Alabama has nine analysts on staff. Clemson coach Dabo Swinney has five analysts, including senior offensive analyst Mickey Conn and defensive analyst Kyle Richardson.

    Derrick Ansley was a graduate assistant for Saban in 2010 and ’11 and rejoined the staff this season as defensive backs coach. He said many of the duties of a graduate assistant are similar to what analysts do. The analysts just have more time to do them.

    “When I was a GA I had to break down the entire offensive opponent,” Ansley said. “The details that we put into it is kind of what separates us a little bit.”

    What does an opponent run on third-and-4 or more? Against a four-man front? Against a three-man front? How about on third-and-3 or less? In the red zone? In their own end? All that type of information is gathered and given to position coaches, coordinators and the head coach.

    “He’s watching it all, but you come in and give him a little something he may have missed because you’re studying that,” Ansley said.

    Alabama wide receiver Gehrig Dieter is a graduate transfer from Bowling Green. After spending two seasons at the Mid-American Conference school and one at SMU before that, Dieter could see the benefit of all the additional input.

    “There’s so many people on our staff any time you have a question it kind of gets answered,” Dieter said. “Not that it doesn’t at Bowling Green, but you just have so many eyes on you at all times so you kind of get the most accurate answers possible.”

    The other benefit comes when it is time to hit the recruiting trail. Only the nine full-time assistants can recruit.

    “We get done playing Florida in the SEC championship game, immediately we’re on the road recruiting,” Alabama defensive coordinator Jeremy Pruitt said. “Well, somebody’s got to be breaking down Washington, Ohio State, Clemson. Those guys do a job from a breakdown standpoint so when you walk in they can hand it to it you and say, ‘Hey, this is kind of what these guys do.'”

    Clemson co-offensive coordinator Tony Elliott said the Tigers’ analysts are as involved in the game plans as any staffer and their input during games can be vital.

    “The great thing about it is they’re just an extension of your eyes,” Elliott said. “They understand what the game plan is. They understand what the adjustments are. They understand the things that cause us problems.”

    Ultimately, all these extra staffers give programs such as Alabama and Clemson more people to do more tasks more efficiently.

    “Manpower,” Ansley said.

    And brainpower.
  18. LonghornCatholic

    LonghornCatholic Romantic Catholic

    A good analysts is worth every penny, if you ask me.

    Good for Herman :hookem:
  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  20. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 2,500+ Posts

    Thanks D! This paragraph sums it up. I love the idea of this type of position if they are good at doing what they do. Imagine How much more effective a coach can be if they spend 30 more hours a week coaching, planning and recruiting if the data is already at his fingertips.

    I'd quit my job in a minute to take a position like this.
  21. car54

    car54 1,000+ Posts

    I never said I didn't like the hire. I never said a coach couldn't have an influence on the mind of a player as far as character is concerned. I said coaches shouldn't get credit for "developing" STUDS.
  22. moondog_LFZ

    moondog_LFZ 1,000+ Posts

    And Ezekial Elliot said the coach DID help him DEVELOP as a player and running back.
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2017
  23. dukesteer

    dukesteer 1,000+ Posts

    Car, it's an interesting discussion. If Herman can take Strong's players -- let's say the secondary, for example -- and turn them into a force to be reckoned with, then perhaps you might modify your contention...?
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  24. car54

    car54 1,000+ Posts

    Sounds like these off field assistants do all the prep work.....Sounds like schools pay way too much to position coaches who apparantly just coach the players on the field. Back in the day they did what the off field guys do on top of on field coaching.
  25. Detective Shilala

    Detective Shilala 2,500+ Posts

    The market sets the value on what is reasonable pay.
    Until the market says position coaches aren't worth the $ they get, who are you to argue?
    Also consider that college athletics is a billion dollar industry (in which the primary workers are unpaid amateurs) so do the math.
  26. The Eyes of Texas

    The Eyes of Texas 500+ Posts

    I cannot adequately express my disappointment in learning that we hired a former Baylor staffer who was actively defending Briles on social media.
  27. uisge beatha

    uisge beatha 1,000+ Posts

    smh... don't you realize what was done back in the day should be good enough for success now? Never mind the advanced analytics employed nowadays that require more time and effort ... Or did Knute Rockne know what a particular team tended to run on 3rd an 4 vs 3rd and 5?
  28. Dionysus

    Dionysus Admin Moderator

    Not a good look.
  29. The Eyes of Texas

    The Eyes of Texas 500+ Posts

    I submitted feedback to texassports.com on the hiring. Hopefully there will be many others who do the same.
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  30. LonghornCatholic

    LonghornCatholic Romantic Catholic

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