Hillary is not out of the woods yet

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Joe Fan, Jan 29, 2017.

  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Jason Chaffetz, Chair of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, has demanded that the FBI turn over all of Hillary’s emails, which were stored on a backup server.

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  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    My guess is that Trump himself will stay out of it.
    We will see what Sessions' approach will be

    After all, what is the point of draining the swamp when the biggest swamp creature is walking around on land enjoying the fruits of her malovolent deeds?
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  3. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    The fact that Obama didn't pardon Hillary is evidence that he never really liked the Clintons and for good reason. It would have cost him nothing to pardon her and instead, he tossed her to the wolves.
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  4. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Tangentially related

    Laureate Education, Inc. is in trouble with the SEC for failure to disclose that it is under IRS investigation in its IPO offering (which launches in a few days). Laureate's IRS problem has to do with its “pay to play” relationship with Bill and Hillary Clinton. Not to get too deep in SEC rules, but this type of thing (IRS issue) MUST be disclosed (and its not a close call).

    Laureate’s relationship with the Clintons began in 2010, when it paid Bill $16.5M as its “honorary chancellor” for five years. If you do not already know, that title means he did nothing. He got paid $16.5M for doing nothing.

    But wait, that's not all, Laureate's chairman and CEO Douglas Becker also donated another ~$5M to the Clinton Foundation.

    But wait, that's not all (again), while Hillary was SOS, State’s U.S. Agency for International Development awarded $55M to the International Youth Foundation (IYF), which is linked to Laureate and is chaired by Becker.

    Lastly, the current version of Laurete is a KKR deal (which, if you know what that means, you know it was an LBO). The LBO (2007) left the company with principal owners including George Soros and Paul Allen. Steven A. Cohen used to also be an owner but he is now barred by the SEC from managing anyone else's money. It's a lovely group.

    Admit it, you knew Soros would somehow be involved in this mess.


    Here, the WAPO says Bill got $18M total from them https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...3fc4d4d12b4_story.html?utm_term=.7dcca10d193b
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  5. NJlonghorn

    NJlonghorn 1,000+ Posts

    I know nothing about the disclosure issue, and I know you wouldn't say something "isn't even close" unless it was 100% true. So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that that part of what you say is true.

    I also agree that this is just one more example of uncomfortably cozy relationships that Bill and Hillary Clinton had with various people and agencies. At the very least, it creates what we lawyers call an "appearance of impropriety."

    That said, off the top of my head, I know of two huge holes in what you say:

    (1) "State’s U.S. Agency for International Development". USAID is not part of the State Department, and is not subject to oversight by the State Department.

    (2) "awarded $55M to the International Youth Foundation (IYF)" The IYF had been getting grants before Obama was elected president and appointed Clinton as his Secretary of State. A large part of the $55M (amost half, iirc) were payments made pursuant to grants awarded by USAID while Bush 43 was president. ​
  6. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I did win the Bus Law Award in school, which included one year free to the WSJ!
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  7. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Subject to guidance of the Pres and SOS https://www.usaid.gov/who-we-are/agency-policy

    "The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) is officially an independent federal agency that manages U.S. foreign assistance to countries recovering from disaster, trying to escape poverty, and engaging in democratic reforms. USAID has long had the mission of helping advance the economies and social institutions of other nations. But under the administration of President George W. Bush, USAID has become a tool of U.S. national security, foreign policy, and the War on Terrorism. With control of USAID now in the hands of the State Department, USAID’s work in development joins diplomacy and defense as one of three key pieces of the nation’s foreign policy apparatus. USAID claims to “promote peace and stability by fostering economic growth, protecting human health, providing emergency humanitarian assistance, and enhancing democracy in developing countries,” but many critics have argued that some of the agency’s programs have been used by the White House to achieve political goals in countries whose governments are antagonistic toward the U.S. The agency has also been embroiled in numerous controversies, including extensive problems pertaining to its use of contractors."

  8. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Did you also stay at a Holiday Inn Express?
  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    ".... In January 2006, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice created the Office of the Director of U.S. Foreign Assistance ('F') within the State Department. Under a Director with the rank of Deputy Secretary, F's purpose was to ensure that foreign assistance would be used as much as possible to meet foreign policy objectives.[34] F integrated foreign assistance planning and resource management across State and USAID, directing all USAID offices' budgets according to a detailed "Standardized Program Structure" comprising hundreds of "Program Sub-Elements." USAID accordingly closed its Washington office that had been responsible for development policy and budgeting.

    On September 22, 2010, President Barack Obama signed a Presidential Policy Determination (PPD) on Global Development. (Although the Administration considered the PPD too sensitive for release to the public, it was finally released in February 2014 as required by a U.S. court order. The Administration had initially provided a fact sheet to describe the policy.) The PPD promised to elevate the role of development assistance within U.S. policy and rebuild "USAID as the U.S. Government's lead development agency." It also established an Interagency Policy Committee on Global Development led by the National Security Staff and added to U.S. development efforts an emphasis on innovation.[35] To implement the PPD's instruction that "USAID will develop robust policy, planning, and evaluation capabilities," USAID re-created in mid-2010 a development planning office, the Bureau of Policy, Planning, and Learning.[36] Also, on November 23, 2010, USAID announced the creation of a new Bureau for Food Security[37] to lead the implementation of President Obama's Feed the Future Initiative, which had formerly been managed by the State Department.

    On December 21, 2010, Secretary of State Clinton released the Quadrennial Diplomacy and Development Review (QDDR). Modeled after the military's Quadrennial Defense Review, the QDDR of 2010 reaffirmed the plan to re-build USAID's Foreign Service staffing while also emphasizing the increased role that staff from the State Department and domestic agencies would play in implementing U.S. assistance. In addition, it laid out a program for a future transfer of health sector assistance back from the State Department to USAID.[38] The follow-on QDDR released in April 2015 reaffirmed the Administration's policies."

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  10. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I still have the plaque, somewhere, in a box, I think

    I started out receiving the WSJ at home. I lived on the outer border of Adams Morgan. My friends described me as "urban frontiersman." But, guess what? The WSJ delivery guy was scared of my hood and refused to deliver. I kid not. So, they mailed it instead, which meant I got several days old WSJs. I called them in NYC, chewed them out for having cowardly delivery persons (they denied) and had it switched to the office. Where it was often pilfered (often by my assistant chief - "Oh, i thought you were on the road today...")
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  11. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Hopefully not all of those grants were involved in play for pay schemes.

    Look, this was dirty money. We will see later if its criminal. Regardless, it was still dirty. The Clintons were/are dirty, the Clinton Foundation was dirty and the CGi was dirty. The whole thing was a dirty scheme.
  12. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 1,000+ Posts

    Could he pardon her before she is charged with a crime?
  13. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    I believe one of the board lawyers said "yes" on another thread.

    This is one of those issues that will eventually just get dropped. What does Trump have to gain by keeping it going now? As long as HRC doesn't try to lead the liberal dissent, DJT has leverage. It will quietly be forgotten, despite what the attention seeking Chaffetz has to say.
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  14. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Yes, thats correct
  15. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    This is not Trump
  16. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    I know which is why this will die. Trump calls the shots for the R's for now.
  17. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    That is wrong on many levels and specifically as regards to Hillary. Trump already said he would call off the dogs on her.

    But also, Chaffetz said today he spoke to Trump for the first time (since meeting him briefly in 2012) at the GOP thing in Philly last weekend. Trump sought him out just to make sure Chaffetz knew he wanted him to keep charging on Govt Oversight. He told him to do whatever he wants. Do not slow down. Go after whatever you want to go after. Hardly 'calling the shots.'

  18. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Dem Congressman Anthony Weiner is being threatened with a 15y sentence
    He wants a deal
    Wonder what chip he is holding to justify one?
    So glad this is your weiner and not my weiner


    -- In one message Weiner, who calls himself T Dog, tells the girl 'I would bust that tight p***y'

    -- She claims Weiner asked her to undress and encouraged her to touch herself and say his name over video chat
  19. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

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  20. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    I thought Carlos Danger was a much more creative name.
  21. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    When Tender meets the real world

  22. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  23. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

  24. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Classified Document on Unsecured Email Included Discussion of Request for ‘Various Classified Intelligence Documents’ Concerning Guantanamo Terrorist Detainee Binyam Mohamed

    "(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch today released 1,184 pages of State Department records, including previously unreleased Hillary Clinton email exchanges, revealing additional instances of Abedin and Hillary Clinton sending classified information through unsecured email accounts and contributors being given special access to the former secretary of state.
    The records contain 29 previously undisclosed Clinton emails – of a total of which is now at least 288 emails that were not part of the 55,000 pages of emails that Clinton turned over to the State Department. This further appears to contradict statements by Clinton that, “as far as she knew,” all of her government emails were turned over to the State Department. Two of these emails are now available on the State Department’s website....."​
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  25. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    That collective gulp you just heard was Rice, Lynch, Obama and the Clintons

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  26. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  27. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Lindsey Graham, of all people, said today that emails between Clinton Camp and DOJ show that Clinton Campaign obstructed justice in the Email investigation
  28. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Hillary was out in public today
    Wearing anti-seizure glasses again
    (note no one else there needed sunglasses)


  29. I35

    I35 2,500+ Posts

    Would Hillary just go away. Not even many in her own party likes her. She's embarrassing herself.
  30. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I never cared much for Bill Clinton
    But I do admit that I have occasionally felt sorry for him


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