Houston Astros 2020 thread............

Discussion in 'Baseball' started by Joe Fan, Nov 1, 2019.

  1. Horn87

    Horn87 1,000+ Posts

  2. 2003TexasGrad

    2003TexasGrad 2,500+ Posts

    Also how the hell was Reddicks playoff average so craptastic if he was cheating. Same for Springer and Correa at times. Youd think the Stros would all be .300 hitters if they knew every pitch that was coming.
     
  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  4. FWHORN

    FWHORN 5,000+ Posts

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  5. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Nice timing Francis
    "Astros pitcher Francis Martes suspended 162 games without pay after testing positive for Boldenone, a performance-enhancing drug. He was previously suspended for a similar violation in March"
     
  6. Handler

    Handler 100+ Posts

    Bellinger is such an idiot. Ok to say your mind, but pretty hypocritical when your team just traded for Betts/Price. Red Sox got fined in 2017 for cheating already and will be soon for 2018.
     
  7. LousianaHorn

    LousianaHorn 1,000+ Posts

    Dodgers should have won their games at Dodger Stadium...........they had home field advantage and lost twice in Dodger Stadium...........they need to quit crying about it............If it was such a big advantage then how did the Red Sox win 3 straight in Houston in 2018?
     
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  8. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  10. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Perhaps worth noting as the 2020 season approaches is that there were no allegations of cheating last season and the Astros had the second highest team wRC+ in the history of baseball

    1) 1927 Yankees - 126
    2) 2019 Astros - 125
    T-3) 1930 Yankees - 124
    T-3) 1931 Yankees - 124
    5) 2017 Astros - 122 *
     
  11. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan 10,000+ Posts

    Seen yesterday on flashing overhead driver advisory on Hwy 121 Sam Rayburn Tollway North of Dallas:

    "The Astros can't steal our signs - drive safely!"

    Sorry, I know this is worthless without pics... or linky.
     
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2020
  12. FWHORN

    FWHORN 5,000+ Posts

    Had to drive up to Plano for meeting and same message was on the Bush tollway as well. NTTA has fun with their messages from time to time.
     
  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    SI article from 2018 referencing how the LA Dodgers use cameras to steal signs
    They say the LAD had an army of 20 stealing signs in 2018

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    Last edited: Feb 21, 2020
  14. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  15. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 5,000+ Posts

    I find it hilarious that players are complaining about someone else doing what they also do. We stole signs in pony league. If someone was on second they would signal the pitches to the batter. Head touch, chest touch, etc. Everyone is acting like this is something new.
     
  16. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 5,000+ Posts

    The same message on the Tollway boards from Addison to Frisco this morning.
     
  17. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 5,000+ Posts

    Vol, sign stealing on the field in baseball has been around as long as baseball. The issue now is the dugout using video to decipher the sign and alert the batter in real-time.
     
  18. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 5,000+ Posts

    Stealing is stealing. How it's done is irrelevant.
     
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  19. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 5,000+ Posts

    Yes; but when done completely on the field it is impossible to judge. For example, a runner on second base stands on the backside of the bag - is that a preference or a tip of the called pitch?
     
  20. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 5,000+ Posts

    If someone is reading the catchers signal and relaying that to the batter somehow then it's sign stealing. Doesn't matter if it's by camera or eyes. You can't call one gamesmanship because it's harder to do while the other is cheating. Both are shooting for the same thing....getting the competitive edge. They are all just pissed they didn't think of it first although I've heard other teams also used the camera system.

    I'm not condoning it, but sign stealing in baseball has been going on as long as signs have been used. Just like all the stupid stuff football teams now use on the sidelines to call in plays or schemes. Why do they do that? Because someone is trying to steal the play signals to tip off the defenses.
     
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  21. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 5,000+ Posts

    I agree Vol, but it is unenforceable when done in the field because there is no set place where a runner has to be. The runner can be on the bag; behind the bag; foot next to the plate side of the bag; foot can be on the field side of the bag; lead can be 2, 3, 4 steps away from the bag. There is no way that can be enforced as stealing signs.
     
  22. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 5,000+ Posts


    I completely understand your point and don't disagree how hard it is to monitor and prove, but that doesn't make what the Astro's did any worse just because they did something that could be caught.

    My original point was how hypocritical these players are because they all do it yet criticize the Astros saying MLB should strip the title, ban them from the post season, player suspensions, etc. I think MLB got it mostly right and knew where to draw the line. The players should just shut up, play ball and stop being hypocrites.
     
  23. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 5,000+ Posts

    Agree.
     
  24. FWHORN

    FWHORN 5,000+ Posts

    What the Astros did was so far worse and so next level to on the field stealing comparing the two is just not legitimate. They used technology, relaying from non-players and a whole host of things so far beyond a runner at second tipping a pitch that comparing them is like comparing jaywalking to a triple homicide and saying well both are a crime so they are both the same. A runner on second tipping pitches has been going on since the days of Teddy Roosevelt, it is not even in the same universe as what the Astros did.
     
  25. n64ra

    n64ra 500+ Posts

    And what's the text on the Red Sox?
     
  26. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    It's paywalled
     
  27. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    MLB needs the Astros to be the scapegoat so they can pretend this is all fixed and nobody else is doing it.
     
  28. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  29. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    This guy is going to be motivated - I say approaching 50 HRs if they dont Dicky Thon him first

     
  30. n64ra

    n64ra 500+ Posts

    Which Astro(s) will beat the record of 51 HBP in a season?
     
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