How bad is this economy going to get?

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by AustinHorn24, Apr 1, 2020.

  1. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Alternating Current, I agree with your overall point. However, just to be accurate, FDR wasn't in office in 1929. FDR won the 1932 election and took office in 1933. He did make the problem worse.
     
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  2. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Hoover took a bad thing and made it worse. FDR criticized Hoover's trying to mess with the economy during his 1932 campaign.

    Then when he got elected, took a worse thing and made it the worst. Started a 2nd depression in 1936, I think it was, by implementing the New Deal.

    FDR among other things capped prices, ordered farmers to destroy crops, created Soviet-inspired farm communes, and nationalized the electrical power industry. A true villian.
     
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  3. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    I predict Coronavirus will disappear in November and the economy will begin to recover. Just a hunch.
     
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  4. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Theo you are either predicting a Dem concession at Trumps re-election or a Dem victory and their no longer screwing the GOP at every turn.
     
  5. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Big prediction from the hammer man:

    These antibody tests are beginning to roll out. Already hearing of families testing positive, not knowing they were sick to begin with (no symptoms). If you and your loved ones test positive, any reason not to spend on pent up demand? Any reason not to fly cheaply somewhere (assuming you can go to the beach or park)?
     
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  6. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Corona virus' typically appear in November, peak in January or February, and go away in June. We are more or less experiencing the normal life of a Corona virus life cycle.

    Data is showing cases decreasing, hospitalizations decreasing, deaths are not following the same pattern (some silly things are going on). Need to open it up and get to working. Anything else is anti-science.
     
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  7. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Obviously it'll never disappear. How long we freak out about it and ruin our economy over it will depend on who wins the election. If Biden wins, they'll keep it going for a month or two after he takes office so they can give him credit for getting rid of it and fixing the economy.

    If Trump wins, they'll drag this crap out basically as long as the public allows them to.
     
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  8. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 2,500+ Posts

    Bingo! Time to stand up and say enough is enough. People cannot get cancer treatments in some parts of the country right now. Others can't pay their bills or feed their families. The idea of tracing and testing is a joke that only works in theory. The same goes for trying to quarantine people driving from Louisiana to Texas, or flying in from another city. F' the government. Quit letting criminals out of jail, and quit jailing moms that want to take their kids to the park or work at the beauty salon. If you want to stay home because you don't think it's safe, feel free to do so.
     
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  9. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    The virus will always be here. The need to create fear about it will cease after the election.
     
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  10. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Honestly, I wasn't anti-lockdown. It was fine when the concern was overwhelming our hospitals. That's worth some economic disruption to avoid. However, we're way past that now, and there's no reason not to reopen with reasonable guidelines imposed locally or at the business level.
     
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  11. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    It’s also the reason for telling people to wear cloth masks. The healthcare system did not have enough N-95’s. I think it is still a concern.
     
  12. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    But don't ask us, or the government, to pay your bills if you do so.
     
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  13. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 2,500+ Posts

  14. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Corona virii have always been with us as "the common cold". But the media is using this as a way to get Trump beat in the 2020 election.

    I think in 2021, corona virus won't be an issue regardless of death rates because there is no ability to dethrone Trump.
     
  15. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    My concern is that if the Dems win, the fear about the virus may cease, giving a wide berth to the fear about how in the hell we pay for all the crap they want to have passed now and in the future...
     
  16. Austin_Bill

    Austin_Bill 2,500+ Posts

    That is part 1 of their plan, they have a part 2 in this.

    They are now looking for the federal government to bail out the blue states for all their failed socialism programs that they can't afford to keep doing. Why should a Texan pay for California and New York's failures? To hell with those blue ********.
     
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  17. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    They are using the economic problems to justify giving money to Democrat State governments. Anytime there is even imaginary justification to print money, the Democrats are going to start writing and voting on bills. They will also give the money to any other elite Democratic supporters.
     
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  18. Driver 8

    Driver 8 Amor Fati

    Scott Pelley: Fair to say you simply flooded the system with money?
    Jerome Powell: Yes. We did. That's another way to think about it. We did.
    SP: Where does it come from? Do you just print it?
    JP: We print it digitally.
     
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  19. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    That is counterfeiting in essence.

    The problem with counterfeiting isn't that the dollars aren't "real".

    The problem is they are decreasing the value of the currency.

    What the Fed does in service to the Federal Government is the biggest counterfeiting operation in the history of the world. It is in essence theft.

    The Fed and the Government are stealing from each and every American.
     
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  20. AC

    AC 2,500+ Posts

    You don't have to let them. You do have alternatives. All it takes is a little creativity and courage. Un-coorelated assets that are a store of value will make very good alternatives to holding USD and Stocks. They're out there. I'm up 35% while the stock market is down -10% or worse YTD.
     
  21. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    ac
    What are un-coorelated assets?
     
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  22. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Amazing - Nasdaq YTD
    (here he means up 6% thru today so far)

     
  23. AC

    AC 2,500+ Posts

    Land
    Gold
    Silver
    Other Precious Metals
    Mining Stocks
    Bitcoin
    Art
    Collectible Classic Cars (if you can afford them)

    Companies that transfer IRA's in un-coorelated assets:
    Bitcoin IRA
    Alto IRA
    Masterworks
    Sprott Global
     
  24. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Thanks:hookem:
     
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  25. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  26. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Dow back at 24,000
     
  27. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Most of that stimulus Trillion is going to go into assets. It doesn't mean the economy is healthy.
     
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  28. AC

    AC 2,500+ Posts

    Actually, the Fortune 500 executives use stimulus $ to buy back there own stock, raising the stock price. This in turn increases stock incentives and payouts to executives at the above mentioned company. Liquidity in the market has been almost identical to Gov stimulus.
    Freaking corrupt!
     
  29. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    There were at least about 50 BIG companies that got PPP when they should have not.
    Trump said they would be forced to give the money vack
     
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  30. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Executives get paid on stock price trends and their payment can be >50% stock.

    It is corrupt.
     
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