'I Feel Duped on Climate Change'

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  1. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

  2. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Yeah but polar bears are on the rise so AGW shown to be the villian again.
     
  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  4. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Saw this on Facebook.

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  5. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    So has the UN
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  6. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    No one actually checks the veracity of previous predictions.

    I actually brought that up to a friend at work who believes AGW is going to be catastrophic. He just laughed and ignored the fact.
     
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  7. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    I'll never understand the buffoonery involved in climate change. Is it possible we have warmed the earth to a certain extent? I believe that's possible. However, the whole catastrophic aspect isn't supported by the history of the earth.
     
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  8. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Cognitive dissonance
     
  9. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    The whole cow fart debate got me wondering about cattle population in North America - since apparently slaughtering millions of cows is a key part of stopping Armaggedon or whatever.

    According to industry sources the actual head count is down from the its high of 45 million in 1975. Part of that is bigger cows - so maybe moremmuscle equals higher production of methane? (Ok probably not...) But apparently beef production by pound is also slightly down.


    A Timeline of Changes: Beef Cattle Farming in North America | Arrowquip
     
  10. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Apparently, I alone make up for the methane reduction form the loss of many cattle. At least my wife says so.
     
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  11. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    4,340 Days
    21 hours
    50 mins
    47 sec

    That’s how much time we have left on earth according to AOC! Unless we give the government basically all of our money so they can fight it.
     
  12. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Cow methane makes up about 2.5% of US greenhouse gas emissions. The issues isn't dealing with the most important factors of GHG emission. The issue is scolding other people's choices and controlling them.

    Also found a good podcast that talks about energy in general but has some episodes that are really good on climate. Power Hour with Alex Epstein | The Show Where Today’s Top Energy Experts Break Down Today’s Top Energy Issues

    The more I learn the less impressed I am with climate scientists and fearful about warming, etc.
     
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  13. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    I think solar variation accounts for 95-99% of global temperature. I worry that we're slowly changing the ability of the earth to adapt. There is plenty of middle ground between "drill, baby, drill" and AOC. Being a international leader is important as well. Putting your head in the sand is as silly as putting it in your arse.
     
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  14. OUBubba

    OUBubba 5,000+ Posts

    Maybe we need to give the cows some gas-x.
     
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  15. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    I bet I can buy some Y2K supplies on ebay
     
  16. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    You think? Unfortunately many "climate scientists" are also "thinking" there is a problem. If they were scientists, they would actually analyze data and report that the data supports, or refutes the AGW hypothesis, or is inconclusive. Of course some of the prominent (infamous?) AGW proponents, like Michael Mann, have no problem inventing data where needed.
    Watts Up With That?
     
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  17. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    You may want to leave the country before AOC wins the presidency in 8 years. She apparently has plans for you that at best have you hooked up to some sort of colon catalytic converter.
     
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  18. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    More and more I believe it is clear that AGW alarmism is a new form of pagan religion. You have to sacrifice to the Earth gods so that the rains come and the harvest is plentiful. If you don't they will punish you by withholding good things or bringing catastrophic events like floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.

    It is based on faith not science. There is climate science that is very interesting but the alarmism is religion.
     
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  19. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    Stupid people don't care enough to buy Teslas to save the planet:



    Click on the link to see the comments where it is shown the dealership is using diesel generators to recharge the unsold cars.
     
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  20. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Teslas are expensive death traps. A couple of weeks ago another person died after a wreck because it went up in flames and the door unlock didn't work.

    Elon Musk is making tons of money off of a shoddy product.

    If you want to hear the skeptical side of the issue. Look up @SteveSGoddard on Twitter if you want a consistent flow of information. The analysis is out there for anyone who is interested.
     
  21. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

  22. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    I don't know but I have learned a lot over the last few days. For one land surface has 10 times the effect on surface temperature than CO2. So global warming could be mostly manmade but the biggest effect is replacing dirt, trees, and grass with concrete and glass.

    And each time you double the CO2 concentration physics says that temperature should increase about 1.4C all other things being equal. The issue is, you can all guess, not all things are equal. And climate scientists really don't know exactly what factors there are and how they affect surface temperature.

    But climate scientists get government grants and positions of power and influence to tell everyone that CO2 is the primary factor of climate change. People have been there whole careers and reputations on it. Do you think they will be likely to admit fault if they ever find any?
     
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  23. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    The population nuts have never conceded either. Peak population likely by 2050.
     
  24. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    4,334 days until we all die. AOC
     
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  25. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  26. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Yeah it is fake science. The physics calculation actually shows that adding more CO2 effectively add 0 more heat to the atmosphere. Existing heat can move around into air, ground, or water but overall the amount of heat can't increase due to CO2. The IR spectrum which is absorbed by CO2 is already completely absorbed for what makes it into the atmosphere. From 350-400 ppm absorbs it all.
     
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  27. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  28. Joe Fan

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  29. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    What did socialists use for light before candles? Electricity.
     
  30. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    A lot of 16 year olds are convinced

     
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