'I Feel Duped on Climate Change'

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Namewithheld, Feb 9, 2012.

  1. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    Translation: First World Probs.

    Most of the lives impacted by the lack of access to affordable birth control aren't in our circles.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  2. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    Yep. Then they complain why they can't find Mr. Right.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    [​IMG]
     
    • Like Like x 3
  4. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

  5. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    • Like Like x 2
  6. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Apparently it doesnt matter if we get tons of hurricane or no hurricanes, we are screwed either way

    [​IMG]


    [​IMG]
     
  7. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    These people have no pressure on them to stop this end of the world stuff
    They just get to freely make up new stuff as they go along
    Zero accountability

    The top one is from 2005
    The second one from 2011
    [​IMG]



    [​IMG]
     
  8. OrngNugz

    OrngNugz 500+ Posts

  9. 4th_floor

    4th_floor 1,000+ Posts

    We're all going to die!!!!
     
    • Like Like x 2
  10. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    A two degree change in temperatures over 150 years is not exactly unprecedented. People have this idea that the climate was stable before man came upon the scene. Climate has always been unstable and can change quite quickly.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  11. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    • Like Like x 1
  12. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

  13. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

  14. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 1,000+ Posts

    If the data only goes back to 1979, then they are using data modeling to figure out the per century number. So, using ~40 years of data to tell us what happened in the past 100, or 200, or 300 years - what could possibly go wrong?
     
  15. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    They are using land thermometers that are corrupted by land use changes (pristine land -> farm land -> surbubia -> city).
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    The name change from global warming to climate change says everything about the bogus underlying motivations based on cherry-picked formulas and data.

    During the course of every year the climate changes continuously. With a description as broad as climate change, anything that occurs at an abnormal rate can then be attributed to man and fuel pleas to stop the impending doom.

    However if still hanging hats on the more specific claim of global warming, the coldest month in decades wouldn't be so easy to explain to those freezing their f'n arses off.
     
  17. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    It never changed. They mean different things. Climate change is the result of global warming.


    I don't think you understand the concepts of global warming and climate change. The earth heating up doesn't impact all geographies uniformly. Texas having a record cold spell doesn't mean the rest of the earth isn't heating up and could potentially be reinforcing the theory of climate change dependent on the reason for the cold spell. I'm not claiming to be an expert but that statement exhibits a fundamental misinterpretation of the term global warming.
     
  18. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Last I checked there is not one peer reviewed paper that claims higher CO2 concentrations increases drought, storms, etc. In fact, the IPCC report states that such claims are unfounded. Yet, the alarmists keep stating it. Sea level rise is the one true consequence of higher temperature, all else (more disease, more or less of this or that) is just speculation. Even sea level rise has not accelerated in the last 500 years. Future projections are all based on modeling and impossible to achieve temperature increases.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  19. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    • Like Like x 2
  20. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Paul Allan's yacht did more damage to coral reefs than you or your great grandchildren will do in their lifetimes. Elitist hypocrites are not helping the environmental cause



    [​IMG]




    [​IMG]
     
  21. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  22. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    25 years ago, the same people were telling us that in 25 years (i.e., about now), our beaches would be gone

    (click it once to enlarge)

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2017
  23. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Joe, don't be a science denier. You know as well as I do that the beaches have 3 years left.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  24. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts


    About 40 years ago, they told us our beaches would be covered in ice by now. They even gave us 51 things to do to prevent the coming Ice Age. I guess we did those things a little too well?

    It's the same people. Now and then.

    [​IMG]
     
    • Like Like x 2
  25. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

  26. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

  27. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

  28. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    The couple of times I've looked deeper into that sort of claim, they've gotten that number through subtle manipulation. It's actually been "90-whatever % of those who took a firm stance" and not of the total.

    In other words:
    90 surveyed scientists said "There's definitely dangerous climate change being caused by humans."
    10 surveyed scientists said "There's definitely not dangerous climate change being caused by humans."
    X surveyed scientists said "I cannot definitively support either position with the current evidence."

    How many was that X? 2 scientists? 10,000 scientists? Usually you have no idea. Often we don't even see the "of those who took a definitive position" part - it's buried subtly within the full report so that the journalists who write about will miss it, and thus we then read articles where it isn't included.

    Seems reasonable to me. If the argument was more often "The potential to harm exists so let's take precautions." and less often "You clearly are anti-science and don't give a crap about the environment, you DENIER!"then it might get somewhere more effectively.

    Honestly the debate over something so clearly uncertain and complex and difficult to prove always seemed weird. I think it has detracted from putting those energies towards fixing stuff we can all agree is bad and is undoubtedly happening: dirty air, dirty water, dumping toxins, littering, etc. But then again maybe that still gets nowhere because nobody can agree what the most effective ways are to combat those things - and then we get back into the common "I believe government should do X to stop it" "I think that actually wouldn't help" "I ignore what you said and just pretend you hate the environment." type of argument that infects pretty much every single issue.

    If we really wanted to combat air pollution, we'd start replacing oil, gas, and coal plants with nuclear plants. And if you disagree with me on that, obviously it's because you don't like clear air and don't care about the lower-income children who are choking when they breathe. :D
     
    • Like Like x 3
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2017
  29. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 1,000+ Posts

    Any so-called environmentalist who is complaining about CO2 emissions warming the planet and is NOT calling for nuclear plants to be built to help the situation is not serious about it.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  30. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    A multi-year, multi-million dollar climate change study has been put on ice for a year -- because of -- “unprecedented” thick summer ice.

    The scientists’ icebreaker which was supposed to take them up where they wanted to go -- was needed by the Canadian Coast Guard for a more urgent purpose – to rescue fishing boats and supply ships which were stuck in the “unprecedented ice conditions”

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/lo...ostponed-due-to-climate-change-428030543.html
     
    • Like Like x 1

Share This Page