Impeachment

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by mchammer, Sep 24, 2019.

  1. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    What is this Ukraine thing all about? Didn’t Hillary tried to get campaign info against Trump from Ukrainians? Didn’t Biden pressure Ukraine to stop an investigation due to alleged corruption? Forwarding to today, if Trump presses Ukraine about corruption, that is impeachable? I don’t get it. Or is this a fake issue to get Dems to impeach Trump, something they want to do anyway. If latter is true, doesn’t that signal they don’t think Warren or Biden can win?
     
  2. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    Deflecting from Biden's clear corrupt acts while V.P. to orange man bad.
     
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  3. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    How real it is depends on what Trump said during the phone call. If he just encouraged or asked Ukraine to investigate, then the case for impeachment is weak. If he threatened to withhold the military aid if Ukraine didn't investigate, then the case for impeachment gets a lot stronger, because then we're talking about a real crime. However, even if it comes to that, it invites almost as much flack onto Biden as it invites onto Trump. Like I said previously, I think Elizabeth Warren might be the biggest winner in this equation.
     
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  4. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Trump just authorized release of transcript. What if this was planned from the get go (read from a script) to sink Biden?
     
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  5. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    It is going to be the complete transcript, no redactions.
    I also hope we find out who the whistleblower.
    Pelosi is saying she will likely go ahead on impeachment even if there was nothing wrong with the phone call. Dems are so full of hatred.
     
  6. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Hard to say. We'll find out.
     
  7. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    Does anyone really think the transcript will show impeachable conduct?
    wanna bet the Dems are already trying to move the goal posts
     
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  8. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    The media might move toward the transcripts being fake. Don't know yet.
     
  9. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    The Whistleblower complaint is key, the actual complaint and panel interview. Accoding to the reports the call was only part of the whistleblower complaint. It is not the end all be all to this ordeal.

    Releasing the transcript now is a bit like Don Jr. releasing the Trump Tower email. Get it out before the media does so you can shape the narrative.

    It should be pointed out that Trump himself has already changed his excuse for holding up the Congressionally approved aid.

    Schiff tweeted they are speaking with the Whistleblower's council and they want to meet with Congress.
     
  10. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    He has not changed what he said. The two things he said are not mutually exclusive.
     
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  11. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Yeah, that's why he didn't mention corruption today nor the EU contribution yesterday. To me, that's an evolving defense strategy likely driven by the former excuse putting Trump too close to the fire he's been trying to burn Biden with.
     
  12. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    Maybe because he didn't feel a need to do so? You jumping to conclusions in all of these anti-Trump conspiracies hasn't worked out well, has it?
     
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  13. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    What conclusions? I'm simply stating my analysis just like you did.
     
  14. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    I think the transcript is important. Obviously that's what was said to Zelensky. As for the complaint, there's no way to know how much if any importance it has unless it's released. Schiff has subpoenaed the report. I would hope he'll seek court intervention if nothing can be worked out with the DNI.
     
  15. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Based on Pelosi's comments at The Atlantic event and Biden's statement,I think Nancy is approaching this judiciously. This isn't an Impeachment but rather the start of the investigation that could result in Impeachment (impossible due to McConnell). Already you can see the left downplaing any specific quid pro quo statement by Trump but rather focusing on an implied quid pro quo and/or abuse of power.
     
  16. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Let me be clear, the transcript is an important element but it in and of itself won't be exonerating like some on the right will claim immediately after its release.

    It's important to also note that Guiliani has traveled to Ukraine as a personal representative of Trump. That should also be part of any abuse of power investigation.
     
  17. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  18. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    Anyone who thinks otherwise is crazy. The timing of these things never disappoints with the Dems.
     
  19. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    Yeah, Guillani traveling to Ukraine needs to investigated.:rolleyes1: Enough of these silly investigations based on stupid conspiracies.
     
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  20. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    It's not exonerating - if there's some other piece of evidence. If the report has something else, then let's see it.

    I don't have a problem with them looking into that. I'm not confident it'll turn anything up. Guiliani isn't as dumb as Trump is.
     
  21. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    As far as a timeline goes, it goes back to Hillary and Soros (and I wrote about this at time in here somewhere)

    (1) Hillary donors Soros and Pinchuk + Clinton appointee Victoria Nuland effectively overthrew the elected Govt of Ukraine in 2014.
    (2) Then that Govt attempted to and did apparently interfere to some degree with the 2016 US election (aka the "Russia hoax")

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    Somewhere, there are older posts on this

    What if it was not the Russians?
    What if it was not the Russians?
     
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  22. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    LOL
    Look how quickly they moved the goalposts



     
  23. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    OK, so now that Trump is being transparent about his call with Ukraine and ordered the release of the full transcript, let us not stop there

    Let us also see ---

    All unredacted transcripts of Obama's calls with Iran right before he delivered them $150 Billion in cash

    All unredacted transcripts of Biden's calls with China before his son secured a multi-billion dollar deal

    What do you say now Dems?
    Do you still pine for "full transparency?"
     
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  24. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Moved the goalposts = didn't follow the narrative we wanted to relay
     
  25. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    Yes, let's keep doing fishing expeditions until we find something.
     
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  26. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    It's ALL about transparency because that is what Trump is known for.

    The funny element about the Biden investigation that Trump advocated for with Zelensky is that one can assume the Trump admin already has the details about Biden from his documented actions as VP. If they have the goods indict him.

    What? They want UKRAINE to investigate?
     
  27. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Or simply you could ask your POTUS to stop abusing his power? Nah...accountability only work in one direction...again.
     
  28. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    Because he isn't abusing his power. There isn't one iota of evidence of that. But keep fishing until you find something. Haven't you fallen for enough fake news over the last few years to last a lifetime? When the latest garbage gets seen for what it is your side will create more fake **** and you'll fall for it as well.
     
  29. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  30. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Accountability for thee but not for me. Gotcha.
     

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