Impeachment

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  1. Austin_Bill

    Austin_Bill 2,500+ Posts

    I was under the impression that gay guys like being submarined, or is that Torpedoed? :idk:
     
  2. Hideo Gump Jr.

    Hideo Gump Jr. Summer Soldier and Sunshine Patriot

    I miss Phil Hartman.
     
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  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Now Richard Grenell is going to push out the names of the Obama Admin folks who unmasked General Flynn. You can see why Democrats hate him so much.

    The Obama people went on a crazy unmasking run against the incoming Trump people. It appears from the previous review of the FISA process that 85% of their requests were improper. Obama, Comey, Rice, Clapper and Brennan were using the NSA as their own personal political spy agency against US citizens.

    " ...... In May, 2019 President Donald Trump authorized the Department of Justice to declassify the list, as well as all the other documentation pertaining to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance warrant used to spy on short term campaign volunteer Carter Page. Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz revealed in several recent reports that the FBI and DOJ failed to validate the evidence used to obtain the warrants to spy on Page and omitted evidence that would have stopped the secret court from authorizing the warrant to spy on the campaign.

    The most egregious unmasking was that of Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, whose prosecution has now been overturned by the Justice Department. In January, 2017 Flynn’s name and the contents of his conversation with former Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak was revealed to a Washington Post reporter by a senior official in the Obama administration. The contents of the conversation were later outed in a column by Washington Post writer David Ignatius. The highly classified information led to the false allegations that Flynn and the Trump campaign were conspiring with Russia.

    Still, no one has been held accountable for the highly classified leak. However, sources tell this reporter there has been an ongoing DOJ investigation into the matter.

    Rice, who hid her role in unmasking Trump officials, eventually admitted that she had requested unmasking of officials in the campaign. However, it was in April, 2017, when Trump White House lawyers were informed that Rice had requested the identities of U.S. persons in the raw intelligence reports. Usually in the raw reports Americans are identified as U.S. Person 1 or U.S. Person 2. Those identities are considered top secret and are limited to only a few persons....."

    U.S. Officials Have Declassified List Of Obama Officials Who Were Involved In ‘Unmasking’ General Flynn
     
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  4. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    They hate Grenell
     
  5. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The Biden Campaign is currently freaking out over the Senate potentially subpoenaing Blue Star Strategies.
    Blue Star is the lobbying group that dropped Hunter Biden's name to the Obama/Kerry State Dept as part of an effort to get rid of Ukrainian gas company Burisma's stain of corruption.

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  6. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Remember Fiona Hill?
    She testified at the absurd Trump impeachment hearings
    Turns out she was a primary source of information for the Steele Dossier
    She is one of the rumored names of who may be indicted

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  7. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Ah yes, good ole Fiona. Remember her testifying very well.
     
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  8. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Are they trying to set Impeachment II over mailboxes? It does seem like the same people

    The Democrats are going postal

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  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I brought up the case involving the McGahn subpoena multiple times back when people still cared about impeachment. At the time it loomed as a key decision and it still does for the future. The appeals court finally ruled today -- to wit, the House has no legal ability to enforce subpoenas because there is no law on the books allowing it.
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  10. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    That's a pretty good judicial *****-slapping right there.
     
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  11. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 2,500+ Posts

    Not the first time Blue Star has made the news. Blue Horseshoe loves Bluestar and Anacott Steel.
     
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  12. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

  13. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Would have to look back through, but I'm pretty sure I said this guy being a cry baby about Trump going off his script written by Vindman was the impetus of the impeachment farce.
     
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  14. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    And...nothing will happen to Vindman, as usual.
     
  15. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    That article also shows how useless the Republicans are. This guy was mad that he doesn't get to dictate foreign policy anymore. Republicans gave up on questioning him about though because of their respect for his military service. GMAFB. People deserve respect for that if they aren't sacks of **** on top of it. I got tired of every Republican leading off with, "Thank you for your service." So what? He served and then became a treasonous piece of ****. That is his legacy.
     
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  16. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    And now disgruntled generals are telling lies to the media to get Biden elected. Really telling to see what the swamp creatures think of the average citizen.
     
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  17. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers 1,000+ Posts

    You would think an organization, in this case the US Military with a 75 year dry spell of actually winning any wars, would not have much credibility in terms of who we should elect as our president.

    There truly must be no ghosts that can rise from the dead. Otherwise Ike, MacArthur, Bradly, Nimitz, Marshal, Pulley, and LeMay, would all come up out of the grave to put a boot in the *** of every 0-7 and above in the military.
     
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  18. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Whoops - there it is! The instigator of impeachment says Russiagate was the primary motivation.

     
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  19. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    That's Lt. Col. Vindman. He said so under oath.
     
  20. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    What a POS.
     
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  21. Pomspoms

    Pomspoms 5,000+ Posts

    Wait, didn't we win the gulf war under swartskolf or whatever his name.
     
  22. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Vindman, under oath, admitted that he thinks this stuff because of stuff he read in the NY Times. LOL!
     
  23. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Dude, that isn't the fault of the US military. We haven't made a serious effort to win a war in 75 years. That's the fault of politicians and ultimately the public.
     
  24. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    My bad...sorry.
     
  25. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    When is Vindman's book comimg out?


    Mr D is correct. The politicians hamstrung military efforts. If you look at the
    ROE for either Iraq or Afghanistan you realize they were so f'd up . There is no way to know how many of our own were killed due to ridiculous ROE. War can't be fought through PC lens
     
  26. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers 1,000+ Posts

    It's not the fault of the troops, it is the fault of the leadership, who tells the politicians what they want to hear, like that we're making progress in Afgan and that we need to stay there.

    Now a good number of those same leaders, who have failed to win any wars under their command, want to tell the American public that President Trump isn't fit for the office so we should elect a senile placeholder until he can be thrown out of office for who the Dems really want?

    Jokes like Mathis who, in some scene out of a made for TV movie, supposedly goes to the National Cathedral on a dark and rainy night to pray for our country to be delivered from the rule of Trump?

    You could run off every O-7 and above in the entire military, and replace them with E-7's, and we'd be better off.

    Desert Storm. Nope, it was a tie, I know as I was there with the 1st Infantry Division. Now it seemed like a win at the time - we kicked them out of Kuwait and killed a bunch of them, then the rest went home and nothing changed in Iraq. It was as much of a victory as if after Gettysburg, Lincoln signed a cease fire and 10 years later J. Davis was still the leader of the Confederacy.
     
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  27. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers 1,000+ Posts

    A useful idiot would have sent his Sec of State off to grovel to the Russians and given them a big red button with the wrong Russian word for Reset on it.

    A useful idiot would have canceled plans for ABM's in eastern Europe.

    A useful idiot would have worked for various nuclear agreements that the Russians wanted.

    A useful idiot would have said that after an election, he'd have more flexibility.

    A useful idiot would have stood around with his thumb in his *** while Russia annexed part of another country, then invaded the eastern part of that same country.

    King Barry Obama, c'mon down!
     
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  28. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Sounds like wars were won or lost by how the idiot "Career Diplomats" ran them and dictated policy to the hapless presidents of the past. Vindman is crying in his beer, still.
     
  29. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    First, you have no idea what the military leadership actually tells the politicians. Second, remember how the chain of command is structured. The President is at the top. He sets the objectives and the parameters in which the military does its job. Accordingly, he's deciding what "progress in Afghanistan" looks like, not the military leadership.

    Were guys like Eisenhower and McArthur (guys who fought the last war we won) better generals than Austin Miller or Norman Schwarzkopf? Maybe, maybe not. They had an easier job in terms of the tools at their disposal. The politicians told them to secure the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan and told them that it essentially didn't matter what it costs, how many casualties we took, or what we did to civilians.

    Since then, the politicians have put all kinds of restrictions and caveats on the military. Don't get us into a broader war, especially with a strong power like the Soviet Union or China. Don't make me look bad by having a lot of casualties. Don't piss off Muslims and Muslim-mollycoddlers in Western Europe by killing religious leaders and destroying their mosques.

    Consider MacArthur. He and Nimitz completely destroyed and pacified Imperial Japan. Huge job, very risky. However, we're still farting around with the two-bit handjob Kim family in North Korea. The big difference is that we let guys like MacArthur do their jobs in Japan but didn't let them do it in Korea. We should have finished them and China off like MacArthur advocated when they were still eating cats and crapping outside rather than waiting until they had nuclear weapons. Well, that was the decision of the politicians, not MacArthur's failure. Well, the same kind of crap followed in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

    Like MacArthur, they want a CiC who will listen to them, and Biden will likely do so more than Trump does. Does this mean I'll vote for Biden? No, because I'm not willing to surrender to the BLM and Chicks with Dicks freak shows by accepting a forfeiture of the judiciary to people who will tyrannically force those agenda just to get a president who listens to the military better. However, is it a mark against Trump? Yes.

    Yeah, I'm not buying that. Sorry, Bro.

    Again, another move by politicians. Schwarzkopf could have finished off Hussein and beat the hell out of Iraq until they were civilized. We just didn't let him do it.
     
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  30. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life Good Bye To All The Rest!

    It's common in the enlisted ranks to assume officers are useless. Typically second lieutenants come in arrogant and really have no idea what the military is really about. What enlisted don't understand is the strategy part that is taught to officers. From day to day training to battlefield strategy and goals.

    I'm not saying there aren't some really smart enlisted and some really moronic officers because they're are both. Its just the difference between a white collar and blue collar worker. Blue collar workers almost always think the boss is stupid especially when goals aren't explained which in the military almost never happens.
     
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