Impeachment

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by mchammer, Sep 24, 2019.

  1. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I didn't miss that. The reason? Nothing "of value" could be determined from THIS exchange. That was the same determination that Mueller made in Part 1 of his report. The Justice Department is at odds with the IG in this regard. This isn't the end too as the actual Whistleblower complaint still lingers.

    Of course, this JD decision was made without the knowledge that Trump had personally put on hold the nearly $400M aid to Ukraine days before. They were simply looking for an explicit quid pro quo in the call. That didn't exist. This is potentially like trying to evaluate the situation looking through the keyhole.

    One can certainly read into the conversation an implicit quid pro quo if one is predisposed to believing that.
     
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  2. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    CNN reporting this is the worst thing ever. Fox says its a nothing burger. Seems to reflect the membership of this forum. :catfight:
     
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  3. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    Like I said, Ford vs Chevy.
     
  4. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    First of all Biden is ONLY a political opponent the same way any Dem is. He is NOT the nominee. And lastly Trump would like Biden to be the nominee.

    Second how is Trump asking a foreign country to look into events IN the foreign country jeopardizing our national security?
     
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  5. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    You have no business bringing common sense into this.
     
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  6. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    The side that is violating norms is the Dems, not Trump. What foreign leader will talk candidly with a US president if they know the TDS crowd will demand a transcript?
     
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  7. nashhorn

    nashhorn 2,500+ Posts

    The ‘national security’ issue was my question too, as in whaaaa?
     
  8. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    A) After this post I never want to hear you criticize others for conspiracy theories again.

    B) The whistle-blower's credibility is pretty much shot. He got the original story wrong. Also, the IG has already said that the whistle-blower has political bias against Trump which has pretty much established this as a nothingburger.
     
  9. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    Maybe some Trump Hater can explain why this is ok?
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    Democrats wrote to the Ukrainian government in May 2018 urging it to continue investigations into President Donald Trump’s alleged collusion with Russia in the 2016 presidential campaign — collusion later found not to exist.
    The demand, which came from U.S. Senators Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Dick Durbin (D-IL), and Patrick Leahy (D-VT), resurfaced Wednesday in an opinion piece written by conservative Marc Thiessen in the Washington Post.

    It got almost no attention, but in May [2018], CNN reported that Sens. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) and Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) wrote a letter to Ukraine’s prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko, expressing concern at the closing of four investigations they said were critical to the Mueller probe. In the letter, they implied that their support for U.S. assistance to Ukraine was at stake. Describing themselves as “strong advocates for a robust and close relationship with Ukraine,” the Democratic senators declared, “We have supported [the] capacity-building process and are disappointed that some in Kyiv appear to have cast aside these [democratic] principles to avoid the ire of President Trump,” before demanding Lutsenko “reverse course and halt any efforts to impede cooperation with this important investigation.”

    The Democrats’ letter is available online here. In it, Menendez, Durbin, and Leahy demanded that the Ukrainian government answer their questions about the Mueller probe, and issued an implied threat: “This reported refusal to cooperate with the Mueller probe also sends a worrying signal — to the Ukrainian people as well as the international community — about your government’s commitment more broadly to support justice and the rule of law.”
     
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  10. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    That depends on whether a sitting POTUS is asking for "a favor" from a Foreign Government to investigate their political opponents. That's apparently all above board. That's the new norm here. The fear of talking frank is a ruse as leaders clearly know a cavalcade of people are listening, on both sides of the call.
     
  11. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  12. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Fixed it for you.
     
  13. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    As much as you might like to mute me when I point out your craziness I choose not to grant you that privilege.

    1. You don't know who the whistleblower is.
    2. You haven't seen the complaint.
    3. You've leaped the Grand Canyon to claim the anonymous person's credibility is shot.

    Only 1 person's credibility is in peril with that statement and it isn't the Whistleblower. Rather than staring at your finger while pointing check out your thumb.
     
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  14. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Simple answer. That was smack dab in the middle of the Mueller investigation. Remember him? A special counsel appointed by the Justice Department? The letter says to work with Mueller, someone they had no management authority over whatsoever and were responding to a media article claiming their closing of 4 active cases impeded Mueller.

    Now, if they said "we demand you open an investigation into Mitch McConnell..." then that leg you are standin on might me a bit longer than a stump.
     
  15. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    we don't know the name but we do know this from the DOJ
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    The DOJ on Wednesday released their report on the anti-Trump “whistleblower.”
    In the report the DOJ reveals that the “whistleblower” has animous against Trump and their entire complaint was based on hearsay. The “whistleblower” was also found to be supporter of Democrat candidate.

    Here is the full report released today by the DOJ on the whistleblower.
     
  16. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    So when the Dems threatened support if Ukraine did notgo forward with the complaint that isn't troubling to any Hater??
    BTW Did Ukraine continue with the investigations ?
     
  17. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Lol! Of course they are releasing this prior to the actual complaint. They need to attempt to destroy the credibility so when they do release the complaint none of Trump's base will care. Of course they are forgetting that the Trump appointed IG also found the complaint to be "urgent" and "credible". It's likely only a matter of time before Atkinson (IG) gets the Mueller treatment and painted as Anti-Trump even after being a life-long Republican.

    That's the way this story goes. Trump says and does crap that is unethical, if not illegal, while his minions follow along claiming up is down and water is dry.

    Trump will not be impeached unless it occurs in his 2nd Term. The D's best chance is still to defeat him in an election. Does that mean an impeachment investigation shouldn't commence? No. Trump clearly has abused his power for the political process to start. Someone needs to check him until McConnell gets off his knees.
     
  18. nashhorn

    nashhorn 2,500+ Posts

    Hmmm, I think that says a lot about all this fiasco.
     
  19. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Yes, that is concerning. I'd like to know more and I have no earthly idea what became of the 4 cases in question. It's not an apples to apples comparison as your are trying to make it out and one might suspect is actually an attempt to distract.

    Since I recognized a questionable threat, is anyone going to admit that everything Trump said on that call aside from "congratulations" was unethical at best?
     
  20. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    LOL! The IG found it urgent and credible A FEW DAYS AGO. Now he's saying the guy is a partisan hack that can't be relied upon. What part of this do you not understand? What size do you want for that tin-foil hat?
     
  21. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I would have said that was a problem but after hearing what Trump says in the conversations this team of listeners is a safeguard. Remember when Trump exposed an Israeli intelligence asset to the Russian ambassador in the Roosevelt office? Only the leak of that info caused the Israelis to expeditiously extract the asset.

    This POTUS has shown time and time again he can't be trusted with private conversations with other world leaders.
     
  22. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Actually, the IG found it "urgent and credible" in August and waited until September to bring it forward due to DNI inaction and legally mandated whistleblower laws that require informing Congress.

    On the bias...Careful now. When do you think the IG proclaimed the Whistleblower's bias? Just this week or the moment it was forwarded to the DNI with his report? Logic can be your friend when enlisted correctly.

    As an aside, the IG proclaimed the Whistleblower's bias. Your editorial bias is claiming the person is a "partisan hack" and a "guy". See the Grand Canyon yet?

    (Editorial note: The Grand Canyon is best viewed in the afternoon after the morning fog dissipates.)
     
  23. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    LOL! Watching you squirm and grasp for straws is entertaining.
     
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  24. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    I guess calling a guy a politically unreliable whistleblower would come first. Then the IG saying that this is urgent and credible second. I guess that makes sense in the Huskerverse.
     
  25. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Is that what you call a takedown of your argument while not refuting my points? That's odd but makes a little sence in a worldview where up is down.
     
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  26. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    You didn't take anything down. What you wrote is so out of touch with reality it's not even woth refuting.
     
  27. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    It all happened simultaneously. The IG submitted the complaint and his report to the DNI. Unless we find out he amended his report it all happened in August. Just because the JD decided to release (leak?) elements of the report before the complaint is released doesn't mean the IG made the determination after sending over the complaint.
     
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  28. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Do me "a favor". Can you send a postcard from bizarro world? I'd love to see what reality looks like from there. I imagine it something like Inception where the world is folding on top of itself but would love a perspective from someone experiencing it.
     
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  29. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Returning the discussion to our regularly scheduled programming, which Trump supporter is willing to stand up and admit that a POTUS urging other governments to investigate political adversaries is frought with peril to our Democracy?
     
  30. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Yes, but we're not average Americans. They aren't on Hornfans. They're listening to Taylor Swift.
     
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