Impeachment

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by mchammer, Sep 24, 2019.

  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Liberals loves the Snopes Family, even though they often produce unintended humor. This time they thought they were shutting down a claim that Dems have tried to impeach every elected Republican President since Eisenhower--

    "The U.S. has had six republican presidents since Eisenhower left office in 1961: Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, George W. Bush, and Donald Trump. The claim is wrong on its face because Democrats made no effort to impeach Ford. ..."

    Ford, of course, was not elected, so they actually confirmed the claim
     
  2. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts

    Plus, from what I have read and heard, it is the obligation of the Executive Branch to ensure the country in question is not corrupt before sending funds. So, the whole fake quid pro quo and he was withholding aid to "dig up dirt" is so tiring.
     
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  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts



     
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  4. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

     
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  5. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

     
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  6. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Appears these guys made all sorts of assumptions without knowing the facts, sort of like a TDS-addled poster we know.
     
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  7. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Spreading 2nd hand info to undercut the president is deceitful.
     
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  8. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Which was imaginary. Are you detecting a trend?
     
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  9. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    My guess is that the money was held up until due diligence was completed by executive branch. However, this was for internal purposes or concerns, and as such, Ukraine was not aware of it. The confirmation bias by the TDS-addled Never Trumpers conflated the Biden corruption request with the aid delay.
     
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  10. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    The Dems have been making up false testimony news since the Trayvon Martin case.

    No one ever gets put in jail, so they keep doing it.
     
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  11. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    Donald J. Trump pays attention. But, he's just a loon. So, never mind.
     
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  12. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    Quid pro quo is certainly a foreign policy thing. The difference here: Foreign military aid approved by Congress to go to Ukraine. The POTUS withholds said APPROPRIATED military aid and a visit to the White House (implies international legitimacy) for an announcement on CNN that they're investigating something that had already been debunked. Probably also looking for HRC's email server - he doesn't get the cloud concept.
     
  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  14. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    Let's keep it clean:

    1) Is there any direct evidence of a quid pro quo or not?
    2) What was debunked? Are you saying that Trump should have known Hunter's plumb position was all roses? I can't believe you would say that if it was Trump Jr.
     
  15. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  16. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Ummm...this is a quote directly from Sondland's amended statement.

    Meadows is trying to pull the Clinton defense and debate the definition of 'is'.
     
  17. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    You mean like the kind where the text messages say that they don't get the goods without coming on CNN and announcing investigations against Bursima and Biden? Or, like noted Never-Trumper Sondland's edited testimony? That means he perjured himself initially. Correct?

    The plumb position is chronyism. I don't like it. It's not election meddling and it's not a crime syndicate like Trump University or Trump Steaks or like all of the emoluments violations that Trump is committing. Or like Ivanka's Chinese patents. If he's worried about corruption then please look into the murder of an American citizen by the Saudis.
     
  18. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    "...would likely not occur..." seems to leave open the possibility that he did not know what happened.

    Is that too nuanced?
     
  19. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    Ok... who texted it? Was this someone working as an official agent for the POTUS officially telling the Ukraines the terms for the aid?
     
  20. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    Dude, you've seen the texts. Here they are again. A visual timeline of the text messages in the Trump-Ukraine affair

    Taylor is obviously irritated that they're leveraging $ on US domestic political games that the Ukrainians don't want to get tied into.

    Here's a summary of Burisma. The investigation was shelved in 2015. So asking for the ousting of the people doing investigations into corruption would be poor logic.

    Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
     
  21. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    Rudy, Sondland, etc. Are you pretending to be an aggy on purpose?
     
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  22. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    No... just wanted to hear you say it. You can insult me if you want. It has no effect.

    Thank you for the link.

    I'm not wanting to see an impeachment. You can't wait for it. I want us to be dead sure. You are ready to sharpen the axe.
     
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  23. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    I know that you're a smart guy/gal. You seem to be pretending not to be for some reason. Unclear.

    What do you want to hear me say? We should have invoked the 25th Amendment some time ago. We tried to impeach a President over lying about inappropriate sexual situations. Given that Russia is currently in an active war with Ukraine (an ally of ours), potentially aiding their enemy by extorting personal benefits derived from taxpayer funded resources seems, as the kids say, sketch. If it were on the up and up we would not have seen the ambassador removed, Rudy involved, Bolton wouldn't have quit, McKinley wouldn't have resigned. There would not have been any moving the conversations to secure servers if they were "perfect". They'd release a transcript that wasn't a summary and not a transcript. It smells worse than anything Nixon did. His was all domestic. If we placed presidential misdeeds on a monopoly board this would be on Pennsylvania Avenue but maybe a little less, Marvin Gardens. Clinton's were over on Oriental Avenue.
     
  24. OUBubba

    OUBubba 1,000+ Posts

    If I were a Senator on the Intelligence Committee I'd want to have a bipartisan group listen to all of Trump's calls stored on that server. I'd like to think that conscientious bipartisan folks would want to know what was discussed when he pulled out of Syria so fast that we had to go back and bomb our bases.
     
  25. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    Just because you don’t like the president you are allowed to find a crime by digging through privileged documents
     
  26. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

    POTUS looking very healthy, fit, and sharp.

     
  27. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Way too overbroad. No court would ever order a congressional subpoena for that, and if it did, the President would refuse to follow the order.
     
  28. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    Sounds like Bubba has been hitting the cough syrup again.
     
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  29. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    In combination with the FOIA releases, there are now several documents, plus new testimony, that reveal multiple attempts by Hunter Biden's Burisma reps or his fellow Burisma board member/business partner to lobby or meet with officials in the Obama State Department or in then-Vice President Biden's office
     
  30. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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