Is China about to bring the hammer down in Hong Kong?

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  1. Joe Fan

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    How Alinsky of them

     
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  4. Joe Fan

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    Two days later (Mar 29), the Govt disclosed 42,000 dead in Wuhan, probably still understated

    "March 27 -- As authorities lifted a two-month coronavirus lockdown in the central Chinese city of Wuhan, residents said they were growing increasingly skeptical that the figure of some 2,500 deaths in the city to date was accurate.

    Since the start of the week, seven large funeral homes in Wuhan have been handing out the cremated remains of around 500 people to their families every day, suggesting that far more people died than ever made the official statistics.

    "It can't be right ... because the incinerators have been working round the clock, so how can so few people have died?" an Wuhan resident surnamed Zhang told RFA on Friday.

    "They started distributing ashes and starting interment ceremonies on Monday," he said.

    Social media users have been doing some basic math to figure out their daily capacity, while the news website Caixin.com reported that 5,000 urns had been delivered by a supplier to the Hankou Funeral Home in one day alone -- double the official number of deaths.

    Some social media posts have estimated that all seven funeral homes in Wuhan are handing out 3,500 urns every day in total..."
    Estimates Show Wuhan Death Toll Far Higher Than Official Figure
     
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  7. horninchicago

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    "We should be investigating these bats."
     
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  12. Monahorns

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    The best thing Trump can do regarding the corona virus is work with the CDC to develop a viral pandemic response plan, complete with strategic medical resource stocks, plans about how and when to communicate, and response phases kicked off by certain events and outbreak size.

    He would be able to say (whether 50% true or not), no one else in the history of America has prepared the American people to be safe from disease outbreaks like me. The Left will howl. The Right will applaud. Many in the middle will nod and think it sounds reasonable.
     
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  13. Mr. Deez

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    But it wasn't a bat from Wuhan.
     
  14. Mr. Deez

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    At this point, nobody should believe any information that comes from the Chinese government. It's as reliable as something from Goebbels in 1944.
     
  15. Joe Fan

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    Pretty sure someone thinks calling them Wuhan bats is racist
     
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  16. Joe Fan

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    If you are abroad and want to go home, better hurry. Country alerts like this are popping up all over. Good luck

     
  17. Joe Fan

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    Cuomo has a pharmacy ban on hydroxychloroquine.

    Is he putting politics ahead of public health? Or is something else going on?
     
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  19. Joe Fan

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    Case study in italy
    Not taking the infected to the hospital lowered the death rate in one region
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    " .... Struck by a human catastrophe unseen in Europe outside of war, with military trucks taking away corpses from the city of Bergamo, Lombardy has a death rate of 17.6 per cent.

    Nearby Veneto’s stands at 5.6 per cent. While virologists caution that the percentage death rate is closely tied to the level of testing, they also attribute the gap to other factors, such as Veneto’s reluctance to hospitalise compared with its neighbour.
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    For Giorgio Palù, one of Europe’s leading virologists, and scientific adviser to the governor of Veneto, a critical factor has been the number of diagnosed patients taken into hospital.

    The number of diagnosed patients who were taken in hospitals for clinical treatment at the start of the outbreak was about 65 per cent in Lombardy, Prof Palù said.

    This compares with 20 per cent in Veneto, where the majority were told to stay at home unless urgent care was required.

    “There were different instructions given to the sick by the different regional health authorities,” he said. “Yes, there has been more testing in Veneto but people were kept at home and not taken into hospitals. The more patients you admit to the hospital, the more cases you get. You create the outbreak as at the start nobody was taking care of sampling the doctors or nurses, [so] you were taking home the infection.....”
     
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  21. horninchicago

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    Worse quality: China products or Chrysler/Jeep? A toss up.
     
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    Hydroxychloroquine is a scab drug and the union drugs don't want it in New York.
     
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  23. Monahorns

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    If I have a choice, I pick the scab.
     
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  24. Mr. Deez

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    They haven't actually banned the drug. They've prohibited it from being prescribed outside a hospital to keep people from hoarding it. At least, that's the explanation. Is it a valid concern? I have no idea. It does seem odd that only Democratic governors have done this.
     
  25. Monahorns

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    Not odd to me. Democrats have faith in government and always look to increase its power.
     
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    The Masters to be in November

     
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  28. Joe Fan

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    Worth a look -- Time for the US to declare independence from China

    " ... This reliance on China has been a growing concern of the national security community for years, as it watched U.S. dependence on China grow in a range of areas, from military equipment components to rare earth minerals. While we could afford to ignore that uncomfortable recognition for a while, today our short-term critical needs make that impossible.

    The problem with dealing with our dependence on Chinese manufacturing is that we are stuck in a deadlock. Some political leaders have called for a gradual economic decoupling to mitigate the risk. Others argue that decoupling would impose too many costs on consumers and businesses.

    In the meantime, no matter how this debate plays out, there is a meaningful change that America can begin to implement now, that will not only cushion us against key dependencies, but also provide a road map for reducing the most serious ones, for good. This is for America to lead in agile manufacturing...."

    the writers are -- Nadia Schadlow is a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and served as deputy national security adviser for strategy under President Trump. Anthony Vinci is a senior fellow at the Center for New American Security and served as chief technology officer and associate director for capabilities at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.
     
  29. Joe Fan

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    Report from Australia about how the Chinese Govt was stockpiling masks, medical equipment and PPEs

    "China stockpiled more than 2 billion surgical masks and essential medical supplies in a global panic buy now impacting the worldwide shortage of protective equipment.

    The two billion masks and 25 million pieces of personal protective equipment (PPE) were imported from Australia and other overseas countries between January and March.

    On Thursday, a Chinese government report detailing its foreign trade for the first two months of the year was uncovered, Daily Mail Australia reported.

    When the Wuhan-originated virus was at its peak, the Chinese government went on a global campaign to recruit Chinese-owned companies in foreign countries to raid stocks of the items....."

    China hoards 2 billion face masks
     
  30. Joe Fan

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    China also stopped exporting face masks, made in China --

    China made half the world’s masks before the coronavirus emerged there, and it has expanded production nearly 12-fold since then. But it has claimed mask factory output for itself. Purchases and donations also brought China a big chunk of the world’s supply from elsewhere.

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    Peter Navarro, an adviser to President Trump on manufacturing and trade, contended on Fox Business last month that China had essentially taken over factories that make masks on behalf of American companies. Beijing, he said, had opted to “nationalize effectively 3M, our company.”

    In a statement, Minnesota-based 3M said most of the masks it made at its factory in Shanghai had been sold within China even before the outbreak. It declined to comment on when exports from China might resume.

    The World Needs Masks. China Makes Them, but Has Been Hoarding Them.

     
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