Kavanaugh's SC Confirmation Hearings

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  1. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    Wow, what a sh!t show. I thought it couldn't get any worse, but now (third day) Cory Booker says he is going to release some confidential emails of Kavanaugh's that have to do with racial profiling. I guess it's the only way he can think of to bring race into the proceedings.

    If he does, it will be in violation of Senate rules and he could theoretically be expelled from the Senate.

    This whole proceeding should be an embarrassment to Dems every where. It has been disgraceful.
     
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  2. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    He won't be expelled. It takes 2/3 to do that. What this should tell you is how important the Left views the Court. It cannot afford to lose it. Too much of its agenda depends on it.
     
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  3. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    Booker called it his "I am Spartacus" moment.

    He's trying to out Kapernick kapernick.
     
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  4. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    Booker can suck it.
     
  5. militaryhorn

    militaryhorn I've Been Working on the Railroad...

    Basically, he is showing me that he doesn't care about rules because he knows that he won't have to suffer any consequences for his actions.
     
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  6. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    The delusions of grandeur and heroism these people have is just ridiculous. What he's doing takes no courage whatsoever. He won't be expelled or punished in any meaningful way. What he will do is cause future nominees to be less forthcoming and grant access to fewer documents. He is also establishing a new precedent. There will be a Democratic nominee to the Court some day, and some self-serving Republican who wants to run for President (like Booker does) will flout the rules to promote himself.
     
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  7. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    Point of order...the email that Booker released has already been cleared for release yet not released. Grassley released the "committee confidential" email following Booker's release, of which these email were included.

    Booker was in violation for releasing them prior to the committee's formal release.

    From the "Duh" department, Kavanaugh questions whether Roe v. Wade is settled law. This removes all doubt that this justice position is a fight for abortion rights. Y'all might not like the theatrics of the left but they are justified.

    Conversely, the late release of 10's of thousands of documents to the committee is making a mockery of any vetting process.

    To a watcher of these hearings one might get the impression that this is a planned carnival by both sides with the sole intent to appeal to their base while avoiding acknowledging the inevitable.
     
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  8. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    You do realize that his quote from 2003 is (1) consistent with his previous testimony and (2) accurate, right? People are treating this as a bombshell. It's not. This is mostly Cory Booker hanging his junk out in the wind for 2020.
     
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  9. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    Only a duh-mbass would jump to the conclusion you reached...


    Is this 15 year old memo indicative of Kavanaugh's personal point of view, or is it, as your own link quotes, Kavanaugh's perspective of the overall legal landscape?
     
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  10. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    What he wrote is 100 percent accurate and noncontroversial. This was his statement

    This is true. Most do, but some do not. Kavanaugh is correct.

    Also true. The Supreme Court can overrule its own precedent anytime it wants. If it couldn't, then segregation would still be "settled law."

    William Rehnquist (who had dissented in Roe v. Wade), Antonin Scalia, and Clarence Thomas. Yep, he was right.
     
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  11. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    Did I claim that is was anything other than documentary evidence that Roe v. Wade is in doubt? For the left, that's important. I assumed it was important for conservatives based on their support for a clearly immoral POTUS. This seat is their payoff.

    To cut to the chase, liberals nor conservatives care about the "law" in this case. They both care about the agenda that shapes the interpretation of law when it comes to abortion rights.
     
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  12. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    Roe v. Wade is important to both sides. However, what I'm saying is that his comments in 2003 aren't indicative of anything. Ruth Bader Ginsburg could just as easily have written that, because it's factually accurate. If you actually look at Kavanaugh's record, he is not a slam dunk to overturn Roe. (He should be, because it's a BS case regardless of what anyone thinks of abortion, but he's not.) In fact, he refused to join a dissent that criticized Roe.
     
  13. mchammer

    mchammer 2,500+ Posts

    What does the constitution has to do with abortion? Explain that and I might buy you a cup of coffee.
     
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  14. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    There was no vetting process by the Dems. They screamed their intentions to vote against this guy before most of them even knew who he was. What good would another 40,000 docs do? Could they convince a single Dem to vote for him? I doubt it.

    From what I've heard, there have been more of Kavanaugh's documents released than the last 4-5 candidates combined. Cetainly more than Sotomayor and Kagan released. The Repubs treated Obama's appointments with respect compared to this fiasco.
     
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  15. militaryhorn

    militaryhorn I've Been Working on the Railroad...

    So, apparently those emails Booker was taking his "Spartacus" moment on were already approved for release and he knew that they were prior to his proclamation.
     
  16. UTChE96

    UTChE96 1,000+ Posts

    Booker is a transparent douche.
     
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  17. Monahorns

    Monahorns 1,000+ Posts

    Democrats have never been fans of reading all the documents available before. Why should they start now? Make an uninformed vote on Kavanaugh. It won't change anything.
     
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  18. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    Maybe they should listen to the immortal advice of Nancy Pelosi and apply it to this hearing:

    You have to confirm Kavanaugh to find out what's in Kavanaugh.
     
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  19. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    My senator... Cory Booker.

    "No, no, you don't understand. I BROKE THE RULES! Don't you get it? I wasn't supposed to do any of this, and I did it anyway! They told me not to, but I broke the law! Don't you see??? I'M REBELLING!!! LOOK AT ME!!!!!!"

     
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  20. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    BTW... If Zina Bash were not married, I would be headed to DC tomorrow.



     
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  21. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    Whether it was against the rules or not, it was a flagrantly self-serving political stunt. Can there be any doubt that he's running in 2020? He might be the biggest attention-seeker in politics right now - makes Sheila Jackson-Lee look dignified and classy.
     
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  22. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    I saw this on Twitter. It just clarifies what has already been posted on the thread.

    George W Bush's records representative, Bill Burck, was asked to clear the "leaked documents" by Cory Booker's staff the night before he "leaked them". Burck had already told Booker he could use the documents publicly.

    Deez is right. Booker is an attention *****.

    Yet I heard an ABC news blurb this morning that implied Booker had gone out on a limb to leak these documents. The MSM is mostly complicit in Booker's little scam.
     
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  23. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    I saw this on Twitter. It just clarifies what has already been posted on the thread.

    George W Bush's records representative, Bill Burck, was asked to clear the "leaked documents" by Cory Booker's staff the night before he "leaked them". Burck had already told Booker he could use the documents publicly.

    Deez is right. Booker is an attention *****.

    Yet I heard an ABC news blurb this morning that implied Booker had gone out on a limb to leak these documents. The MSM is mostly complicit in Booker's little scam.
     
  24. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    Big shock - that briliant legal mind Paul Krugman opposes Kavanagh. Link
     
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  25. Monahorns

    Monahorns 1,000+ Posts

    Kavanaugh is so partisan that Kagan invited him to teach her class back in the day.

    I actually am not a big fan of Kavanaugh. He did a lot of the leg work to start the Patriot Act. He may be an originalist in some ways but in others enlivens the meaning to fit it in what politicians want legal cover for.
     
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  26. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    That's what's a bit silly about this. Kavanaugh's record doesn't suggest that he's a rigid ideologue. I think he'll be a little to Kennedy's right but not with Thomas, Alito, or Gorsuch. He'll probably be similar to Roberts.
     
  27. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    I think that's a fairly accurate assessment. Of course the left wing is foaming at the mouth simply because Trump nominated him. It's utterly reflexive, without even a smidgen of reason behind it.
     
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  28. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    If Trump had not been the one to nominate him most Dems would have voted for him
    But this is giving them camera time to set up their 2020 runs And to trash Trump.

    Their right but how they treated a good man in front of his children is despicable.
     
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  29. UTChE96

    UTChE96 1,000+ Posts

    After watching that circus, is there any doubt that the Dems would have done the same thing that Republicans did to Garland if the situation were reversed. There was no doubt in my mind before but now it should be clear to everyone.
     
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  30. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Didn't the dems delay a confirmation not long ago?
     

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