Khashoggi

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  1. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

  2. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    From your article:
    He was an Islamist.

    One less Islamist to worry about.
     
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  3. Monahorns

    Monahorns 1,000+ Posts

    I really liked Sho Kosugi in those ninja movies.
     
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  4. mb227

    mb227 2,500+ Posts

    Not shedding tears here.
     
  5. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

    I’d guess 90% of you that read the article come away making a judgement whether or not the victim, as a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood, deserves further attention, and if not, then move on. Excuse me, but if that’s the takeaway, you’ve missed the whole point.

    The major point is that the US government in conjunction with the media has portrayed the Saudi ruler as some kind of reformer and an ally of the US in a battle against terrorism, but the truth is 180 degrees from that. While Trump and everyone else on both sides of the aisle condone regime change in Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Russia, and anyone else who wants to follow an independent sovereign path, based on “humanitarian concerns,” we continue to give blow jobs to the Saudi dictator who runs unarguably the most barbaric society on the planet. Doesn’t anyone see the monumental hypocrisy? We threaten, sanction, invade, restrict food and medicine to countries who in no way threaten us, while at the same time supply arms and accept massive lobbying money from the country to this day spreads Wahhabism around the world which ends up inspiring groups to form such as al Qaeda and ISIS.
     
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  6. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    I don't know if I've seen him outright portrayed at positive, more like all his potential problems are just ignored and not addressed at all one way or the other.
     
  7. Monahorns

    Monahorns 1,000+ Posts

    I agree that the US is supporting Saudi Arabia in their violence against Yemen.

    We (the US) are wrong. We should tell the Saudi's to stop.
     
  8. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    When an ally resorts to foreign murder to protect internal corruption, it's concerning.
     
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  9. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    They have lots of petroleum, which is nice
     
  10. mb227

    mb227 2,500+ Posts

    Except there is a valid argument that it was not 'foreign murder." He willingly entered the Embassy. The Embassy is considered to be part and parcel of the country that occupies the Embassy. He had the EXACT same risks going through those gates as would have existed had he flown TO the other country to get the sought-after document.

    Once he entered the gate, US law and Constitutional protections ceased to exist.
     
  11. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

  12. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    There was no public trial or charges. He was murdered, not executed, and he was in Turkey.
     
  13. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

    Several analysts predicted the murder will be used as leverage by both Erdogan and trump to extort concessions from Saudi Arabia. And this Monday morning Trump’s response hints that’s exactly what is in play.

    Trump is looking for additional Saudi dollars in exchange for US protection. MBS of course wants to hold on to power in the monarchy. Most likely a deal will be worked out so that Trump gets the US it’s protection payments from the Saudis in exchange for no evidence emerging and pressuring the media to back off the story. Erdogan will need for the Saudis to pay him off as well in exchange for disappearing any evidence. This really never was about human rights or the murderous Saudi dictatorship other than exposing them for concessions.
     
  14. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Well, just like I remember Richard Nixon doing, the Saudi's are making up new stories since the old ones aren't plausible. Now, it turns out they were questioning Kashoggi and things got a little out of hand. You know we've all been there. You ask a guy a few questions... he get's irritated. He starts bleeding everywhere and his head explodes. Nothin left to do but cut him up with a bone saw and put the mess in ziplock bags. Could have happened to anyone...
     
  15. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

    And the Saudi leadership had nothing to do with this. Rogue actors. Move along, nothing to see here. If anyone is responsible, it must have been Putin.
     
  16. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

  17. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

    What’s the difference between ISIS and the Saudi regime?
    1. ISIS would never allow music while torturing and beheading someone.
    2. The reformer MBS allows music when dismembering and beheading.
     
  18. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    It's a start.
     
  19. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    Realpolitik: "A system of politics or principles based on practical rather than moral or ideological considerations."
     
  20. Musburger1

    Musburger1 1,000+ Posts

  21. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

     
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  22. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Well true to the Nixonian tradition, the Saudis are trying a slightly less preposterous lie to substitute to a long delivered lie that was untenable from the start. Rouge elements accidentally choked Khashoggi to death … and they have no idea what happened to the body.
    I guess it's tough to have to deal with a media you can't imprison, torture or kill when they don't acquiesce to your fabrications.
     
  23. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    They should have just said he was executed for his support of a terrorist organization that regularly commits crimes against humanity.
     
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  24. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Murdering journalists whose opinions you don't like can get out of hand.
     
  25. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    So can terrorist organizations and their supporters.
     
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  26. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    I'm still not sure why this has become a political football.

    A foreign government murdered one of its former citizens. For regimes like Saudi ... it's not unusual.

    I'm not sure what the U.S. has to do with this.
     
  27. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Kashoggi was writing for the Washington Post. He wasn't a terrorist and his brutal murder ... Like a lot of overseas oppression ... Violates basic human rights. Some of us still care.
     
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  28. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    You must not care much about human rights if you are defending a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood.
     
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  29. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Kashoggi was not a soldier, he was an observer.
     
  30. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 1,000+ Posts

    supporter not observer.
     

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