Las Vegas

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  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Ugh

    I woke up all happy with the score of the Texans game, but then this news quickly shut that down

    There have been some claims of responsibility, but no proof
     
  2. Driver 8

    Driver 8 Amor Fati

    What is there to say any more about these events? Or do about it?
     
  3. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    We can't do anything it appears. You could have armed everyone in that crowd and it wouldn't have made any difference. They were like fish in a barrel. What a tragedy.
     
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  4. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    I predict this guy is going to turn out to be a Bernie Bro much like the Scalise shooter. He targeted the audience of a country concert because he believed they would be mostly conservative.
     
  5. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Lived in Vegas for seven years, and have been hearing from some of them. One girl I know works at a buffet in a casino a few blocks down the strip. They think something's going on with how this is being reported. When they started clearing the casinos and getting people to safe places, they could hear shots being fired INSIDE the casino. I could imagine they'd hear shots coming from Mandalay for a good distance, but if you're inside Caesar's Palace and can hear the shots... they're thinking that there was more than one shooter and it's not being reported.
     
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  6. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

  7. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    And by the way... can we not politicize this for a week or so? I mean we already have people lining up to argue that "i knew he was white because they called him a lone wolf and didn't call him a terrorist." Our culture is so incredibly screwed up that when someone kills a bunch of people, we can't just say "it's horrible and the guy needs to go down." We have to be concerned with how that action is classified, as if a lone wolf killing 50 people is somehow "better" or "more favorable" than a person with suspected terrorist ties doing it.
     
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  8. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I'd chalk that up to all the misinformation that sprung out from the Sandy Hook massacre. I'm sure she believes what she heard but that may also be an invented memory which are all too common in these situations.
     
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  9. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I think the media has done an admirable job in covering this. They get criticized by the right for not claiming terrorism or tying it to Islam soon enough. They were consistent in this in that they are waiting for law enforcement to make the determination.
     
  10. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Certainly possible. Lots of confusion at the time.
     
  11. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    Didn't take even one day to politicize.

     
  12. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Prodigal,

    We need to be concerned for the wounded rather than politics. The healthcare delivery system Nevada is one of the worst in the country. It's not like going to Methodist, Ben Taub or Hermann in Houston, or Parkland, Presby, or MedCities in Dallas, or Scott & White. About 15 years ago, I was in charge of expansion for a healthcare company going nationwide. After a week in Vegas and Reno, we opted to bypass the state. Something about 70% of the physicians having lost their license in another state.
     
  13. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    My inlaws live in LV yet travel to Seattle for all medical treatment, including routine doctor visits. They don't trust the healthcare system there.
     
  14. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    It's traumatic all around for anyone near the strip or even in Las Vegas at this moment. I've had 2 friends post on facebook that they are OK (were at the MGM Grand and the Tropicana) and family members that checked in. Fortunately, none of them were in attendance at this country music festival.
     
  15. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Every time something like this happens it brings up bad memories for me of the 1991 Luby's shootings in Killeen that's not far from my house. It tore our local community apart. Just terrible.
     
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  16. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    As far as errant reports, I distinctly remember radio stations reporting that there were at least TWO snipers on the Tower. Also reported that the shootings appeared to be racially motivated since the first person shot was a black male riding a bicycle. In 50 years, reporting has changed, but not its accuracy. Sensationalism sells.
     
  17. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    It has to be errant. You don't go to a country concert to find black people to kill.
     
  18. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    I believe he was referring to reporting on the UT Tower sniper, not Vegas shooter.
     
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  19. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    This dude was a Vegas high-roller per CNN. He checked in on Thursday and was a regular at the $100-ante poker tables. Paddock was a 64yr old retired accountant with only a single interaction with law enforcement that was handled through the court system years ago.

    All his weapons are believed to be legally acquired at this point. If you listen to any of the videos, he'd clearly converted at least one if not others to be an automatic weapon. He was firing .308 and .223 rounds (per Fox). It's been a long time since I've fired an AR-15 in the military. It would seem that it would be difficult to do much damage from that range although the elevated firing location may have helped.
     
  20. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    Wow! I was unaware of this! Mercy. NV kinda soft on licensing standards in multiple areas I see. Ughh.
     
  21. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    The 308 would certainly have plenty of energy at 500 yards to penetrate fleshy parts on people dressed for a Vegas late summer outdoor event.

    What a tragedy. My thoughts and prayers for the victims and the families. Whatever this guy’s motivation, I also pray for justice in the here and now ... and that he’d come to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ before the here/now ends for him.
     
  22. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    .... oh wait ... he already took the cowards way out.

    Well, he’ll probably be spending eternity regretting that decision.
     
  23. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

    Oops! My bad.
     
  24. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  25. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    Wow ... hat tip, CBS ... albeit an easy one.

    Probably the statement was made in part of some other “off the shelf” reaction to manipulate. I doubt this reporterette is going to be in a soup kitchen line, or shaking a can downtown anywhere.
     
  26. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    I've heard this from a number of people. Lots of malpractice, lots of issues with subpar health care. At least one hospital where someone told me "whatever you do, if you get sick, don't go there."

    As Steve Martin so appropriately put it in his role as fire chief in "Roxanne," "We can't have people in the town going around saying that if there's a fire, whatever you do, DON'T CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT!"
     
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  27. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    We have a family friend that couldn't get into med school in the domestic US. So, his father, a doctor, sent him off to some school in the Caribbean. He's now practicing in the LV area. :smh: Maybe it's just me but I wouldn't trust a doctor who couldn't qualify for an domestic medical schools.
     
  28. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Another candidate -- Jeff Zeleny wants CNN viewers to keep in mind that the victims were likely Trump supporters.

     
  29. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Apparently the shooter's dad was a bank robber once on FBI most-wanted list

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  30. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Tel Aviv City Hall tonight

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