Maalik (corrected)

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  1. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Liked all of those Poms, but I admit I like the Beatles a lot more now than I did back then. But I still do think “I want to hold your hand” was Teenie Bop.
  2. Sheldon Cooper

    Sheldon Cooper 100+ Posts

    Spring Break 1987, this was the song I was listening to.

  3. Facing Addiction

    Facing Addiction 25+ Posts

    I was born in '61. The Beatles and Elvis were kind of meh. Kind of like the original Star Wars movie to today's kids (anyone 10 years younger than me) is meh. But at the time it was a total game changer.

    I remember taking my dad to the Capital Plaza theater to watch it. As we walked out I asked him what he thought. He said "it was really loud."
  4. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    The original Star Wars movie was my first non-children movie to see in a theater. Up to then, I had been to the theatre as part of class fun day, etc. My parents might have taken me to another child film. I went with my older brothers. Not sure how I was given permission to go see it.
  5. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    Just to be clear, in my mind, picking the greatest band ever is definitely an exercise of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." I have a clear emotional attachment to The Beatles. But I try to remain objective and view them in the context of the times; what impact they made on the world; what seminal moments they spawned; and what prior and post generations felt about them.

    My parents were initially alarmed by The Beatles (and definitely The Rolling Stones and The Doors). The long hair, drug culture and loud beat music was not to their liking. But gradually my mother came around. Eleanor Rigby, Penny Lane, Michelle, Yesterday, Let It Be, Something, Here Comes The Sun (notice John Lennon's songs aren't in the grouping; he was kind of out there for them) amongst others were real songs to her and she came to realize there was something very deep going on with the band. Fast forward to today and my two children (born in 1996 and 2003) really do like the band but of course, don't think of them as the greatest ever. But the bridge is there.

    I feel I have a very broad musical range of taste: The Beach Boys, Tommy James and the Shondells, MC5, Marvin Gaye, Earth Wind and Fire, Stevie Wonder, Led Zeppelin, Cream, Jimi, The Who, The Stones, Santana, Black Sabbath, Grand Funk Railroad, The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Armageddon, Captain Beyond, Steamhammer, Pink Floyd, Steely Dan, The Doors, Humble Pie, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Tom Petty, The Cars, Michael Jackson, almost anything from the New Wave era of the early 80's, The Clash, U2, The Replacements, The Smiths, the Seattle grunge revolution (including Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam), Metallica, The Foo Fighters, The Verve, the 90's music vibe, Tame Impala and on and on.

    Tell me what you want and I'll tell you who is the greatest. You can't really compare The Beatles to Led Zeppelin. To me, Led Zeppelin is incredible and they just blow everyone away with power and proficiency. And they were a seminal band too. So they're right there. I'm sure The Beatles would be the first to admit that they held Jimmy Page in high regard.

    But for all the reasons in my original post, The Beatles just come out on top for me.
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  6. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    And how did that work out??
  7. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    Sure is the offseason.
    The Maalik thread gone off the rails like aggy furk
  8. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    Let Jerry Garcia tell you...

    "REICH: What began to spoil it?
    GARCIA: Too many people to take care of and not enough people willing to do something. There were a lot of people there looking for a free ride – that’s the death of any scene when you have more drag energy than you have forward-going energy.

    REICH: You were having to pull along more and more people?
    GARCIA: And it was getting harder and harder to do. For about a year or so there was a regular thing you could see happen – people coming into town, bounce around on the streets for about three or four months, start to get hip to what was going on, they would start to find themselves a scene and they would work into it and be assimilated that way. That was working real well before there was the great big onslaught. And in that summer of 1967 the street was just packed with people – weirdoes from out of town in on the weekend to get in on the free love and all the rest; Gray Line tours stopping in front of our house. People driving by behind locked windows and peering out.

    WENNER: Did you find your personal life was invaded?
    GARCIA: Not really, because we’ve always been on the trip that if somebody isn’t putting out the right vibes right now, then get out real quick. That’s the way we ran our house, in an effort to keep our own scene together.

    REICH: Did you tell them that they weren’t putting out the right vibes?
    GARCIA: No, they knew it.
    REICH: One of the things with the communes that I have seen is that they’re unable to do anything about a person like that and they simply keep him there and everything goes bad.
    GARCIA: That’s the “freedom lie.” There’s been a lie about what freedom is and the big lie is that freedom means absolutely and utterly free, and it really doesn’t mean anything of the sort. The case in point is when you have your own scene like that. Somebody comes in and they’re free to move in, but likewise you’re free to tell them to get out. Freedom is a premise that’s been put forth that’s been abused. For any scene to work, along with that freedom there’s implicit responsibility – you have to be doing something somewhere along the line – there is no free ride. And you have to know where you’re going. It’s helpful to have a scene that will indulge you long enough to let you find out. That’s basically what our scene was doing and when people were coming into town and kicking around for a while, they’d learn the ropes, they’d learn how to work it on the street and how to do a little hustling during the day and just survive until they could find something they could really attach on to. That was the general story.

    WENNER: The “flower power” thing had its own inherent weaknesses.
    GARCIA: Right, the inability of not being able to say, ‘Get out, go away.’ That tells us something about what innocence is. It’s that which allows itself to become no longer innocent. There’s some lesson in there. There was a thing about freedom which was very much in question all through that, with the Diggers and Free and all that. Emmett said a thing to me once which I thought was far out and I think it still applies. He was talking about being in his house and having somebody walk in, and the guy’s rap was ‘Aren’t I free to walk in?’ And Grogan was on the trip of ‘Well, if there’s freedom, then I’m free to kill you for entering my house. I’m free to do whatever I think I need to do.’

    WENNER: What happened to move you out of that scene and then where did you go?
    GARCIA: We didn’t really move out of it – we didn’t get up and leave. We hung around for a long time. We lived on Ashbury for a couple of years, anyway. Various of us were living in other parts of the Haight-Ashbury – up on the hill. Our scene has always been too big to be central and we’ve never really been able to get a really big place where everybody could stay together. It just hadn’t been working. We did ultimately get busted in the Haight-Ashbury and that was a good reason for everybody to leave. That was the point at which we all started to leave. We just started to find new places to be. I was the first one to move out to Marin county – to Larkspur. Then everybody else came out."
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  9. moondog_LFZ

    moondog_LFZ 2,500+ Posts

    Not good.
    Seems most preachers of peace and love are assassinated in some form or fashion.
    I had high hopes.
    Still do.
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  10. Sheldon Cooper

    Sheldon Cooper 100+ Posts

    Welcome to socialism.
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  11. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    Fascinating read, By.
    Theres a whole nother level to go w that, but it is relegated to quackenbush here.
    Thanks for sharing.
    I think you guys know where I stand on it all...
    But I appreciated both your and Moons responses and enjoyed reading this^^^^^
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  12. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    I've read quite a few of his interviews and I'd bet most of today's hippies or 60's refugees who think they experienced and knew the vibe would be shocked. He absolutely nailed socialism right here:

    "Freedom is a premise that’s been put forth that’s been abused. For any scene to work, along with that freedom there’s implicit responsibility – you have to be doing something somewhere along the line – there is no free ride."

    I mean, can you imagine, Jerry Garcia of The Grateful Dead talking like that? Well, what people who knew him loved about him besides the amazing guitar work was his absolute honesty.

    The thing is this; The Grateful Dead was a business and they worked their asses off and made it happen. The hangers-on were not working. That's the big dichotomy of the 60's myth; PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and Jerry Garcia knew it first hand.

    Today's Liberals attack personal responsibility as some sort of white privilege racist construct.

    But it's not. It's common sense.

    Here's a quote from Jim Morrison:

    "The hippie lifestyle is really a middle-class phenomenon, and it could not exist in any other society except ours where there’s such an incredible surplus of goods, products and leisure time. I think that’s the reason for it because the generations immediately preceding ours had world wars and depressions to contend with, and for the last 10 or 15 years in this country, there’s been time enough, and there’s been money enough to live a kind of a flagrant, outrageous lifestyle which was impossible before."

    He apparently thought it was all a phony sociological phenomenon and modern day politicians who like to make us think they're connected to love and peace are actually peddling a complete fantasy.
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  13. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Grifters are going to grift.
  14. Sheldon Cooper

    Sheldon Cooper 100+ Posts

    I'm a proud hater, so I'm going to hate.
  15. orngblud

    orngblud 500+ Posts

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  16. NRHorn

    NRHorn 1,000+ Posts

    Been fun reading this, however. I’ve had some 60’s music knowledge dropped on me.
  17. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    Maalik Murphy loses 5th star.
    Deservedly so and no real surprise here. Shouldn't have had to begin with and didn't exactly light it up this "season".
    I'll say I wish we had Quinn coming, but I support Maalik and heres to hoping he takes that talent, is guided well, plays alot, and makes great strides in the next year.
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  18. Pomspoms

    Pomspoms 2,500+ Posts

    True it looks like Murphy will be a work in progress but he will get the training to see what he can become. Luckily we have good QBs and depth but we will need another high level recruit in '22 or '23 (hello Manning). Too bad we missed out on Klubnik and Ewers. But, then again, its not over yet. You never know what will happen if our offense clicks this season.
  19. Sheldon Cooper

    Sheldon Cooper 100+ Posts

    The best way I can describe Maalik is to compare him to a soldier who has fired his weapon at targets but never in combat. He needs more actual game time. Also keep in mind he is on a sucky team with terrible oline and terrible receivers. He is literally the only talent on that team.

    He still has all the tools to be a great QB but he really needs to get off that team and go to another school where he can play with kids as talented as he is.

    Put him at a school like Katy, or North Shore and he would get that 5th star back. Also keep in mind he is in his junior year and hasn't played organized football in almost 2 years.

    I'm still good with him because we have 2 really good QBs in the program and we have a legit shot at Archie Manning. We can afford to take a chance on him. He is high risk high reward.
  20. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Winebibber

    That's it in a nutshell, Austin Bill.
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  21. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    This^^^^^^^explains it
  22. VYFan

    VYFan 2,500+ Posts

    For real?
  23. NRHorn

    NRHorn 1,000+ Posts

    Sounds like. VY, all the Ags were crowing about how the QB they landed( can’t recall his name) was better and that Ag ended up transferring.
    I know I’ll get a historian here, I’ll not respond to, but VY was a project for 2 maybe 3 years as shown Fan posters kept pushing for VU to be putvatvTE, always the 2nd string QB was waaaaaay better...
    I’ve always put confidence in any coach at any level and starting the quarterback that they work with every day but again that’s just me

    Buckle your seatbelt’s get ready for 2021 to be the year of a divided UT house on who the quarterback should be. In Austin history has a habit of repeating itself and we love the second string quarterback
  24. LAGA4

    LAGA4 250+ Posts

    I wish I could remember who said, and I paraphrase, Led Zeppelin was responsible for more bad bands than any group in the history of music.

    There were many, many horrible Led Zeplin wannabe groups out there.
  25. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    I think Robert Plant unleashed all the high-pitched voiced monsters amongst us. He made it macho and sexual.

    Another band in a similar vein in terms of influence was The Velvet Underground. The saying goes, "Though they their first album sold only 30,000 copies, it created 30,000 bands..."

    It opened minds to the possibilities.

    It's just like when Bruce Springsteen said, "The opening snare shot in Like A Rolling Stone was the door being kicked in to your mind."

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