Moving our of Syria - Next Quagmire?

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  1. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    Trump declares victory over ISIS in Syria as military prepare for full withdrawal from civil war | Daily Mail Online

    Here are some scenarios.

    1. We follow through. Bring thousands of special ops home and let Syria take care of Syria.
    2. False flag attack. Assad commits an unsubstantiated gas attack so we must stay.
    3. Move resources to Ukraine to help its corrupt, Nazi influenced government and get bogged down there.
    4. Deploy resources to South America to prepare for the next regime take down quagmire.
     
  2. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    The Ukraine's government is Nazi influenced. Wow.
     
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  3. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    Very likely Trump struck a deal with Erdogan. Turkey will apparently dump the S-400 deal with Russia and go with the Patriot system by the US. The US will pull out and abandon the Kurds and allow Turkey to take the region currently occupied by the Kurds. There is speculation Trump will follow up by extraditing Gulen to Turkey. The Kurds were foolish enough to trust the US. They never learn.
     
  4. Monahorns

    Monahorns 1,000+ Posts

    Sangre, you have to understand the lingo. From the Communist perspective, any opponent is a Nazi. They only recognize Communist and National Socialist. If you aren't one you are the other.
     
  5. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    I realize you folks are limited to Fox news, but I'll give you an opportunity to expand your knowledge. And no, I didn't have to source RT, but I'd have had a hard time sourcing articles from the "approved" mainstream sources such as NY Times, ABC News, Fox, CNN, etc.

    Of course, you can only lead a horse to water...

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  6. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    some of ya don't Believe ... that's tragic, but I'm not going to brow beat ya ...

    This is part of the "removal of restraint" in the region.

    For 2000 years, the Jews have been restrained by one power or another (Rome, et al) from repossessing Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

    I don't know if Trump's doing this BECAUSE of his Biblical understanding, but 2 Thessalonians 2:3-7 ...

    addresses a "falling away" in the Church ... but also this "restraining order" (by God) is being removed.

    checkout quartetoffice.org ... The U.S., Russia, UN, and EU .... explicit purpose is peace for the Palestinians ...

    I think the peace agreement there is coming and it's going to encompass "conflict resolutions" all over the world. (China currently slaughtering muslims). This 7 year deal will probably reset Israel's borders to 1967 but grant the Jews Temple Mount ... where they can reconstruct Solomon's Temple ... in days. They have all they need for the construction ... just the "permit."

    Last week, the "nascent Sanhedrin" dedicated the Altar which will be placed in the Temple ... without the "outer court" ... as that's where the muslim's Dome of the Rock has stood since 691

    Get your house in order! That's all I'll say without invitation.
     
  7. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    The Jews may have been restrained from taking control of Jerusalem, but they sure haven't been restrained from taking over the US Congress. The Jewish lobby carries a great deal of clout. Far too much, in fact.
     
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  8. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    Perhaps ... but I believe this is the purpose of the US. This is why we’ve been so incredibly blessed.
     
  9. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    The purpose of the US is to promote Zionist agenda? That’s why the country is blessed?

    I give up.
     
  10. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    I didn’t realize there was a problem about which to surrender.

    I’m just telling you what’s happening. You can deny it if you choose but it’s happening regardless of your self perceived greater insight/understanding.

    Those who oppose Israel will not stand. Period. Denigrate that with slurs if it makes ya feel better, but again, it changes nothing in the real world.

    2019 is gonna be ... watershed.

    I’m watching. Are you?
     
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  11. 2003TexasGrad

    2003TexasGrad 1,000+ Posts

    I always imagine you with thick, large brim glasses smoking a cigar and wearing a trenchcoat whilst typing your posts in a dark corner of a coffee shop.
     
  12. 2003TexasGrad

    2003TexasGrad 1,000+ Posts

    This isnt news.
     
  13. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    Expanding on the above. Turkey has threatened for months to execute a major offensive in order to gain control of the Kurdish controlled region and has only refrained because of the US presence. Erdogan told Trunp that Turkey was moving ahead regardless of the US presence. Trump feared US losses would be highly unpopular in the US and decided to bolt. In order to save face, Trump declared victory over ISIS and mission accomplished.

    I'm thrilled the US appears to be pulling out, but Trump is nothing more than a self-absorbed, chicken-sh*t liar.

    The US geopolitical strategy in Syria has morphed from "Assad must go" (this was the original strategy under Obama, foiled by Putin), to ISIS has to be defeated (even though ISIS was used as a proxy by the US against Assad for much of the campaign), to Iran's influence within the region and Syria must be halted (I guess Trump is willing to let Iran stay now).
     
  14. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    that's probably all true and I'd be ok with being as "tuned-in" to the specifics of each part of this as you present yourself to be ...

    Trump is who he is ... not necessarily what any of us think.

    Fact that he absolutely confounded the establishment, including major media personalities, in becoming the 45th POTUS should actually be a wakeup call to a bunch of people who are self-absorbed know it alls.

    The activity in the ME is increasing and ... what is odd to some ... actually fulfilling Biblical prophesy.

    Again ... the restraint is being removed. Be alert.
     
  15. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    I don't know that Netanyahu will ever accept moving back to the 1967 borders. He has blood in this fight; from what I understand his brother was killed at Entebbe. Mivtsa Yonatan ("Operation Jonathan" in English). I think Netanyahu can never compromise. Ever.
     
  16. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    Netanyahu is Israel's John McCain.
     
  17. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    I know ... it seems crazy and unlikely.

    That's just when it'll happen. This is just my speculation ... but the peace deal is going to happen which will result in the Jews "resuming the sacrifices" on Temple Mount. The Rabin accords simply provide a template ... or precedent.

    The 4 players in the "quartet" will make it happen. Then of course, there'll be a single person emerging who will be credited with making the peace deal happen ... any idea who that'll be (not necessarily named, but title)
     
  18. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 500+ Posts

    Yes. Crazy and unlikely.
     
  19. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    It's been nearly three weeks since Trump's announcement and my initial post quoted above. John Bolton apparently has unilaterally reversed Trump's decision and the President has backtracked. One has to wonder if:

    1) Trump has no control over his cabinet and is too weak (politically or otherwise) to enforce a foreign policy of his own choosing.
    2) Trump is so incompetent that he rushes to make statements and then is force to constantly contradict himself and reverse policy after counseling.
    3) Chaos and insubordination rules the day within the US power structure.

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  20. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    4) He's the Troll In Chief ... and basically gets jollies from the spin.

    ... but ... Erdogan didn't receive Bolton. The condition in the ME continues to setup a major conflict.
     
  21. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    Looks like its going to be choice #4. Is Bolton giviing us a clue?
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