Mueller Report Finally Released...

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  1. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    The fact that Hillary was put forth as an electable candidate is the damning evidence of my accusation.
     
  2. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    You’re deflecting and you always think you’re the smartest guy in the room. Well Mr Smartest Guy in the room. While the democrats are trying to change our country to a sh#thole by
    Impeachment based on Russian collusion...oops that didn’t work... “end of the beginning”...more investigations, elimination of the Electoral College, sanctuary cities and states to protect illegals, Green New Deal, identity politics, reparations, late term abortions, hard work is racist, antisemitism, foreign policy of apologizing for the U.S., $1,000 free money each month, gun confiscation, Medicare for all, age 16 for the vote, free college, packing Supreme Court, open borders (take down the wall), Socialism. Chick fil-a is evil, transgender's competing against women, VOTER FRAUD = We don’t need to require voter ID! I’m sure there are other things I missed

    Meanwhile you are over in the corner pouting about a few tweets from the President. So there’s that.
     
  3. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 5,000+ Posts

    Why was Trump the Republican nominee? That had nothing to do with Hillary. Nobody gave him a chance in the primaries yet he kept winning over and over.

    Hillary is a direct image of the Democratic party itself. That's what scared a lot of people into voting for Trump. Maybe the general public is too stupid to associate the two, but I know I heard a lot of chatter about that during the election. I believe it was way more than "Hillary lost that election".
     
  4. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Liberals still struggling with how to make memes funny -- this one flies dangerously close to Titania McGrath territory

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  5. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    I don’t know what Deez will say when Trump wins in a landslide over the next Democrat opponent that won’t be Hillary.
     
  6. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 1,000+ Posts

    Trump won the primary because Republican voters, like me, were sick of our guys taking it in the shorts from the MSM and not fighting back. He said the stuff I have wanted our guys to say for 20 years. We wanted something different than what we had been getting from the GOP - nice guys who get stomped while playing nice (I'm looking at YOU, Mitt Romney). Ted Cruz would have been the "outsider" who did not play by the DC rules, but Trump totally owned that space and pushed Ted out of it.

    For me, the tweeting is a feature, not a bug.
     
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  7. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Again, this is gibberish. It isn't all wrong, but it has no bearing on the underlying issue. It's just a mess of Breitbart headlines.

    PersonallyI, I Idon't care about his Tweets. However, a large number of people who handed control of the House to Democrats a few months ago did care, so I sorta have to care.
     
  8. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    That may very well happen. Since 2016, Democrats have gotten worse, not better, and Trump has gotten somewhat better.
     
  9. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    Deez, I kinda feel honored that you addressed me directly. :beertoast:

    As far as Congress being handed over its pretty much guaranteed that will happen at a mid term election no matter who the President is these days. So I’m not going to put much weight to what he tweets as much as how many people allow the MSM sway their view.

    I’m not sure how you equate gibberish to actual things I listed that’s happening. Gibberish would be from a RINO that puts more value in the politics of what’s being said over what is actually happening with policies. Words don’t affect my bank acct. The great policies and de-regulations does have a good impact on me personally.
     
  10. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  11. mchammer

    mchammer 5,000+ Posts

    TAINT!!!
     
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  12. horninchicago

    horninchicago 5,000+ Posts



    You misread what I was saying. I am asking why Trump would need to obstruct justice if he did nothing wrong. My point was if Barr kept the report confidential, that is not proof Trump obstructed justice, but Dems would say that is the case.


    Also, just like when Mueller quickly corrected the record on the Buzzfeed Michael Cohen testimony, what would prevent him from characterizing Barr's summary as inaccurate if it was?
     
  13. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    The GOP lost more seats than it has lost since 1974. Yes, midterm losses are normal. However, losses on that level don't usually happen without some kind of major cause. For example, the GOP flipped 63 in 2010 in the wake of Obamacare. In 1994, they flipped 54 seats in the wake of HillaryCare and a big tax increase. In 1974, the GOP lost 48 in the wake of Watergate. In all three, the economy was also on unstable ground.

    Losses are expected in a midterm election, but when the economy is roaring as it was in 2018, they're expected to be small losses, not ***-kickings. It should have looked more like 2014 or 1986. Of course, the media helped the Democrats, but they've done that since the New Deal. That wasn't the cause in 2018. The cause was the hemorrhaging of support in white, educated voters in the suburbs - a group that is hostile to Trump. We need those voters back in 2020. Maybe the parade of freaks in the Democratic Party will scare them back to us, but it's a shame that we have to rely on that to recover a voting demographic that used to reliably vote Republican just a few years ago.

    It's gibberish because it has no bearing on what we were talking about.
     
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  14. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    All those numbers you gave all had different circumstances. But first let me say that we do agree that seats will be lost at every midterm election. Every midterm is different with every example you gave. None are just a like. But you write off the midterm election seats lost due to Trumps tweets. There is so much packaged with what we are seeing with everyone outside of the voters that are trying to sabotage Trump every single second of the day. 1) Trump has the establishment against him on both sides. No President has ever had to deal with that. 2) 90% of the media constantly attacks him everyday and they aren’t even using truthful stuff. They knowingly make sh#t up to making fake news to sway people’s mind. Then they try to blame Trump for any of his reactions as being unstable. It’s just unbelievable. We are seeing the media act in a way that’s never been seen before. Not anything close to this level. No President has ever had to deal with that. 3). The friggin Federal law authorities are trying to convict him in the public opinion and making investigations that should have never happened. No other President has had to deal with that. 4). The judicial level has never been politicized for one side or other ever before. They are trying to block everything Trump has done with the 9th circuit which happens to be a bunch of Obama appointees. No President has ever had to deal with that before. 5). You can’t put the house seats on Trump. He didn’t even campaign for any of them. He campaigned for Senators and did well to keep the majority. Because of that it helped him appoint Cavanaugh.

    Can you image if all the Republicans would have backed him? Can you imagine if Trump had the MSM on his side like Obama did? Can you imagine if the FBI, CIA, and other Law Enforcement agency didn’t try to hang an investigation over his head his whole presidency so far? Can you imagine if the judicial judges would allow him to do his job and not get political? So I don’t see the playing field level at all for Trump like all the other past Presidents got.
     
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  15. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    I'm definitely not saying he had a level playing field. Nobody has faced a media that was more hostile and less fair. He also was under investigation.

    However, that doesn't mean there's nothing he can do to mitigate those problems. The people who signed the GOP in 2018 didn't do so over policy or substance. They've voted for candidates in the past who largely agreed with Trump on policy.

    They ditched them over style. They didn't want to back a movement they saw as divisive and hostile. You can make the argument that it's a stupid reason to influence someone's vote, and I would agree. However, it's reality whether we like it or not, and frankly, it's something we assume to be true no matter what we're selling. Salesmen tend to be nice people for a reason. When I tried cases, I was courteous to judges and juries for a reason. It's because for most people courtesy is a prerequisite to being listened to.

    Trump could have taken on the Democrats on policy and ripped the media for their absurdity and unfairness without jumping into cultural battles that have nothing to do with him. He could also do those things without name-calling like a 5th grader. That's a sign of weaknesses, not strength. I didn't name-call in court. That didn't make me wimpy. I was still tough and still represented by clients with the same zeal as someone who did name-call. It just made me an adult and a professional. Well, Trump would do a lot to apply a similar tactic. After all, he has the truth on his side most of the time. He doesn't have to act like a jerk to win the argument or make his point.
     
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  16. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    Deez, after all this time you still don’t get it. The left hasn’t all of a sudden changed because of Trump. All Trump did was expose them by showing who they have always been. So you are suggesting to continue with what the other Presidents and presidential candidates have done in the past when dealing with the left? Because it hasn’t worked. The left never quits attacking. That’s all they know how to do is attack. They are always on offense. So no matter what Trump does they are going to attack.

    The Mueller investigation is over and found no collusion. Did the left accept that? No they are still on offense. The Republicans are always on defense. We voted for someone to stand up to that. Again I don’t give a damn what Trump does to stir the pot. He is the only guy we’ve ever had that plays offense and the attacker’s on the left are losing their mind. You are a fool if you think this is about Donald Trump. When he’s gone this will just continue. That party is just a bunch of spoiled rotten kids. It never stops and even having the best policy President ever doesn’t back them off. America flourishing doesn’t back them off. You are giving them a pass and excuses by even suggesting Donald Trump is the problem. And you wonder why everyone thinks you’re a RINO.

    You started off staying there’s not a level playing field for Trump. You should have stopped there. But you went there and said “However”. No, the Liberals are all out of “Howevers.” No more Howevers for them. We voted for someone that would stand up to them.

    Oh and after reading what you wrote....... don’t accuse me of gibberish again.
     
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  17. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Nobody is giving anybody a pass, and this is why I can have a discussion with you. You just talk past what I say without addressing any of it and go on tangents. It's a waste.
     
  18. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  19. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    Self-awareness isn't one of your better traits.
     
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  20. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    What's the matter, @Mr. Deez Does the truth hurt? I'm going to give you some more truth you don't want to hear. You and Husker on occasion talk **** about us Trump supporters on here. I guess it makes you two feel bigger about yourselves. However, here's the kicker- you two haven't have been right about a damn thing since the 2016 election. You even had the gall to say we were lucky about predicting the outcome of the Russian investigation. We weren't lucky. We saw what it was from the beginning. You can't even admit you were wrong. Hell, you never admit you're wrong on anything. You're arrogant, dismissive and overall just a petty person. Grow up.
     
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  21. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    I got a response ready for this, but I decided not to go with it. Talk all the smack you want. I realize that I was pissing on your victory lap (even if I wasn't trying to), and I'll let you bask in your moment.
     
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  22. Garmel

    Garmel 2,500+ Posts

    I don't care about "basking in the moment". I just don't want to be told that I don't know what the hell I'm talking about and that I was just lucky. Is that so hard to understand?
     
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  23. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    Mueller has a few scalps as his original order allowed him to pursue any crimes that he uncovered. Why would he not pursue obstruction given the latitude he was operating under?
     
  24. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    Unless I'm missing something, all you said was release the report. I think you're saying it's better to release it because the Dems will attack Mueller and Trump either way so it's better if the public sees it thereby allowing them to think for themselves (assuming that is possible).
     
  25. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    His hyperbole is shocking to me. He stuck his neck out during the Senate campaign saying he would vote to impeach Trump BEFORE the Mueller came out. Now he wants it to come out to get the details. What is it Beto? Didn't you know enough before?
     
  26. bystander

    bystander 5,000+ Posts

    According to what I've read, 4.4 million "Obama" voters stayed home and didn't vote for Hillary. Yet she still won the popular vote. The Electoral College seems to have been the deciding factor (thus the calls to abolish it from the Left). Did Obama get "the first black man ever" vote while Hillary blew "the first female ever" vote?
     
  27. Horn6721

    Horn6721 Half of seeming clever is keeping your mouth shut.

    If there is crap in the report that has nothing to do with the reason for the investigation why publish anything not related to the investigation of collusion with the Russians by Trump or Trump campaign?

    Schiff Nadler Waters and others are bitter angry losers.
    Most people see them for what they are.
     
  28. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    I know you don't, because it pisses on your victory lap. It's the difference between playing on a Super Bowl championship team and watching one on TV as a fan. In the former scenario, you did something special. In the latter, you were just lucky enough to live in a city that hosts the Super Bowl champions. But of course some fans like to boast about "their" win as though it is a reflection of their wisdom or skill.

    And for the record, I didn't say you didn't know what you were talking about. I said you and others (such as our token sooner) made guesses because you didn't have the facts in front of you. You say I'm arrogant, but actually the opposite is true. I didn't presume to have any facts and was willing to wait for the report, what is actually a sign of humility.

    And you took that as TDS. Not sure why. Do you think I would have preferred for this story to have turned out badly for Trump? I wouldn't have. It would have been terrible for the country and the conservative movement. Of course, the Left would have preferred that. They'd rather he be a Russian-compromised stooge than just a political figure who disagrees with them, which makes their idiotic and sanctimonious "party over country" criticism of the GOP so hollow. They were hoping and praying for something that would have been horrible for the country.
     
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  29. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    Yes, that is what I said. What pissed them off is that I didn't stroke them predicting his exoneration for the same reason I wouldn't stroke someone for picking the right lottery numbers.
     
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  30. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 10,000+ Posts

    What they were hoping is that women would vote according to identity the way blacks vote according to identity. They don't. In that sense, Hillary didn't really blow it. There just wasn't much for her to blow.
     

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