North pole to melt this year?

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by hornpharmd, Jun 27, 2008.

  1. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    Tipper has had enough of Al Gore. Or does he have enough money now from his businesses since VP that he is looking to buy younger? It relates to this thread due to the infamous hockey stick data that has been deemed non-scientific?(or is that not true)
    The Link
     
  2. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

  3. mop

    mop 2,500+ Posts

    it has now been 18 years of no warming according to the RSS satellite data set.
     
  4. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    interesting perspectives on sun activity here:
    The Link

    use the info here and then rosetta stone it when you hear all of the climate talk.
     
  5. Bronco

    Bronco 500+ Posts

    SH- If you are truly interested in a back and forth discussion on this then I would be interested in your response.

    At this point in the debate the agw proponents have much, much, much more to lose than the fossil fuel companies in this debate.

    First, lets address the fossil fuel companies. There is absolutely zero legislation now or being proposed that would diminish their business model in any of the lifetimes of the execs of those companies. Zero. Their financial incentive in this is meaningless. The only possible industry to get hit is dirty coal and they have been dying a slow death for decades and they make up a tiny fragment of the total picture. By far the most likely replacement for dirty coal is natural gas and the same companies have interests in both. They are going to win regardless.

    Making comments about google and microsoft etc is also kind of silly. Those comapnies are in a very unique situation. They are sitting on mountains of cash for one, and they have a client base that WANTS them to invest in green technology. They do it prmarily because it protects their brand with their customers. The investments made so far by those tech companies in green energy should get all of their CIOs fired because the returns, from a purely financial standpoint, have been abysmal. But they dont really care at this point. It helps their other businesses by creating a bond with their customers.

    Second, while "governments" dont have a financial interest in agw per se, they do provide vast sums of money for govt research. If agw is a hot poilitical button (and it still is) then dollars will go to research. The scientists that do this research are 100% dependent on those grants. It literally pays their salaries. The scientists have a much higher potential to fudge data because it literally saves their jobs. Think about it logically, who really has a higher financial incentive in this debate- ExxonMobil with earnins of around $30B annually or a scientist that shoved every chip he has into the pot betting on agw who will be back teaching high school chemistry if the funding dries up? it amazes me that fairly smart people will automatically assume a scientist funded by an energy company would fudge data in a heart beat but that the same scientist who is funded by the govt would never ever fudge data when his contniued existence is incumbent on his findings.

    Lastly, the reason that their is so much distrust of the agw scientists is because they have drawn the line in the sand so deep that their very careers and reutations are staked to the results. No one is going to admit they were even partially wrong in this debate from the pro agw side because it would discredit their entire reputation and lifes work. As soon as they let the govt corrupt their message and actively joined them in the hype then they had no way of ever going back. They are committed.

    I say all that not to insinuate that either side actually fudges data but that the incentive to do so rests much more with the supporters than deniers.

    You had accredited scientists and modelers and really smart involved people making all sorts of claims 5-10 years ago and literally none of their predictions have come true.

    They were presumably right about the underlying science but just dead wrong as to how to measure the actual affect.
     
  6. Battleship

    Battleship 25+ Posts

    It is a shame to lose this thread when HF shuts down.
     
  7. mop

    mop 2,500+ Posts

    we can't let hornfans shut down!
     
  8. Horn69

    Horn69 2,500+ Posts

    I've never posted on this thread...guess NOW is the time! And, yes, we do have glaciers melting.

    Hook'em!!! [​IMG]
     
  9. pasotex

    pasotex 2,500+ Posts

    I remember page 43 like it was just yesterday ...
     
  10. mop

    mop 2,500+ Posts

    8 years....of one thread on sea ice, but during that time, the planet has not warmed one bit. funny stuff....especially since it had already been 8 years without warming when we started.

    I wonder how many of our global warming alarmists would have bet big money that by the end of 2014 we would be experiencing fairly rapid warming since all of the models predicted as much.
     
  11. UTChE96

    UTChE96 2,500+ Posts

    The OP would have been more accurate if the title was "Hornfans to melt this year?"
     
  12. pasotex

    pasotex 2,500+ Posts

    I am so going to win this thread.

    The planet has warmed. The planet has retained heat most of which continues to go into the ocean.
     
  13. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    Is the warming of the Oceans, independent of the other readings that globally seem to be flat-ish, new?

    Global Ice: arctic- antarctic+ rest of world+ =wash?
    Sun activity cycles, learn about them.
    % of the atmosphere CO2 is now vs 50, 100, 200 years ago?
     
  14. pasotex

    pasotex 2,500+ Posts

    The heat imbalance is "new". It is caused by the addition of greenhouse gasses.
     
  15. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    Did you read the article that Putin has been sending his ships out along the nortwest passage with large heating elements trailing behind for the past few years? Quite the scandal.









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    Early april fools. [​IMG] f putin anyway. there will not be a nw passage.
     
  16. pasotex

    pasotex 2,500+ Posts

  17. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    zork. You have that wrong Putin is a saint and an angel if only the evil capitalists would start to play nice with him, we would all see just how good of a guy he is.

    I think it is apropos that Hornfans will meltdown before the North pole. [​IMG]
     
  18. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 5,000+ Posts

    The north pole has not melted. I win, lock thread!

    [​IMG]
     
  19. mop

    mop 2,500+ Posts

    i wonder how many of you alarmists 8 years ago would have predicted another 8 years of ZERO atmospheric warming. yeah yeah...i know the new excuse is "the ocean ate my heat" but let's face it, you have just moved the goal posts....
     
  20. bozo_casanova

    bozo_casanova 2,500+ Posts

    Mop, when HF shuts down, I think you should continue this thread via fax or post.
     
  21. mop

    mop 2,500+ Posts

    it is funny that you mention fax...when it was last warming, fax was still a majorly used technology.

    [​IMG]

    actually, I have already jumped on a thread on ShaggyBevo on this subject for quite a while.
     
  22. mop

    mop 2,500+ Posts

    according to the RSS satellite feed, the global warming pause has now lasted 18 years and 2 months, which takes us back to October of 1996.

    [​IMG][​IMG]18 year pause...
     
  23. pasotex

    pasotex 2,500+ Posts

    what do the other world wide temperature measurements show?
     
  24. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    Again, it's called the weather. If you think that it's suppose to be the same every year or every decade or even every century then then there is your problem right there. I don't give a **** about any stats you give. You can't prove those numbers wouldn't have been the same with the earth's population 75% smaller. Al Gore = Moron.
     
  25. mop

    mop 2,500+ Posts

    paso, RSS shows the longest pause at 18 years and 2 months. The ground based measurements show around 15 and 16 years and I believe the UAH shows like 12 years. NO matter how you slice it...we have been pausing for about twice as long as this thread has been in existence (which as you know has been a loooong time now). i find it rich that we have a thread about global warming going back to 2008 during which the globe has not warmed a bit. ; )
     
  26. pasotex

    pasotex 2,500+ Posts

    there is no "pause"

    this is just another lie from you clowns
     
  27. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    paso, what else do you call it when a measurement that was once rising now is no longer rising? Seems like a pause to me.

    There is speculation about heat being trapped in the oceans but at this point it is only speculation based on the assumption that heating is still occurring somewhere on the earth. There are no measurements to fit the narrative though. It is truly a case of the AGW proponents denying science and offering up narrative.
     
  28. pasotex

    pasotex 2,500+ Posts

    I call it cherry picking a start point and not understanding trends.

    I also call it a lie.

    But what else is new?
     
  29. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    Is it cherry picking to only reference the north pole ice extent vs global ice extent? I mean Putin's reach can only go so far with his evil ice melting fleet.
     
  30. pasotex

    pasotex 2,500+ Posts

    Do you think global ice volume is increasing or decreasing?

    [​IMG]
     

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