Our next OC and DC

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by El Sapo, Dec 1, 2019.

  1. Austin_Bill

    Austin_Bill 2,500+ Posts

    You obviously have never played the game. The DC will create a system, but generally has no say on how the position coaches get their guys ready to play that position. I don't know what was or wasn't taught to our players I know that a DC might coach one position and not look at a single other player until they all come to together for team drills. A good leader lets their assistants do their job, if they fail, then you replace them.
     
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  2. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 1,000+ Posts

    Ok AB since I never played either I'll bite... since I know nothing at all, is it completely impossible for MajesticII to be even a little bit right? Does every single coach in the college football world do it the same way? Decade after decade after decade?
     
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  3. Austin_Bill

    Austin_Bill 2,500+ Posts

    Okay, so here is the deal. Every practice is run virtually the same way. They use a segment system. Generally each segment is no less than 5 minutes, but no more than 10 minutes. Each segment or sets of segments are dedicated to a portion of practice. Units generally break up and go separately to work on various things. I'll use DBs for an example. DBs will go off with their coach (single or multiple coaches). They learn coverages, technique. Etc. Then they might come together for 7 on 7 work with the QB and receivers but no contact. Finally they will come together with their whole unit and work on various aspects of what they are expecting to see from the opposing offense. Then they will come together as a team for 1s vs 2s. OC generally spends most of his time with the QB and doesn't see what the Rb Wrs are doing until 7 on 7 and unit reps.

    Generally the DC will spend his time with the position he coaches and won't see the other positions until unit work time starts. Now if he doesn't coach a position then he might go from unit to unit, but that generally would piss off a position coach who needs to be seen by his players as the man for that position.

    If we have players who weren't being coached then it was on the position coaches.
     
  4. MajesticII

    MajesticII 1,000+ Posts

    I am very much right. A good head coach oversees his program ( that includes making sure his coaches do what he wants done ). Good OCs and DCs oversee their assistants and make sure they implement drills and teach what needs to be learned by the players. Assistants may give their input, and put their own twist on things but all is ok'ed by the OC, DC, and ultimately the head coach if the HC is worth a damn.
     
  5. MajesticII

    MajesticII 1,000+ Posts

    Austin Bill.....You are right that practices are broken down into segments. The length of those vary. BUT....Just who the heck do you think instructs the assistant coaches as to exactly what to teach and how to teach the players during those segments ????? When the teams come together and the players are not performing as the HC wants, you can bet that a good OC/DC or head coach is going to demand why when they get together in the coachs' offices after practice each and every day....Yes the position coach is responsible for his players, but the OC/DC is responsible for that coach doing his job, and the head coach is as well. if after three **** years the players aren't performing its more than a position coach issue. A good HC is gonna be on someone's *** after a few practices where under-performance by players is taking place.
     
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  6. moondog_LFZ

    moondog_LFZ 2,500+ Posts

    Not completely, but pretty close. ;)

    No coach hires an assistant that he has to instruct what or how to teach.
    He hires the best he can find that already knows what the hell they are doing.
    Fundamentals are fundamentals. They don't change.
     
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  7. BurntOrangeLH

    BurntOrangeLH 2,500+ Posts

    So does this mean Zucker Canyon and MajesticII are not dating anymore?
     
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  8. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Winebibber

    If Zucker is dating Majestic, Pompoms is going to be furious.
     
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  9. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    Sangre, you will always win "The Funny"
     
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  10. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 1,000+ Posts

    I didn't even know Pompoms liked me.....and (not to be too serious) I was just reacting to yet another "you didn't play football/I know you never played" jab because it seems too self-serving for some here to be "beyond reproach".....
    Anyway, back to the show....
     
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  11. MajesticII

    MajesticII 1,000+ Posts

    You have to teach MORE than fundamentals. you have to teach technique involved in the scheme that the HC wants used and is designed by the OC/DC. Often times a great coach especially younger ones may not know every aspect of the OC/DC's scheme. True you hire guys who know your base system. No matter.....Coaches brainstorm and strategize year round and before and after practices to fine tune every aspect of the offense and defense. The left hand knows what the right hand is doing, unlike what Austin_Bill thinks.
     
  12. MajesticII

    MajesticII 1,000+ Posts

    Which is why the OC/DC or HC would correct the assistant AFTER practice during their skull sessions .......and the players would never know...Should never correct the position coach right there in front of the coach and his players on the field....
     
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  13. MajesticII

    MajesticII 1,000+ Posts

    Can I introduce you to Tom Herman and Tim Beck ? Some coaches hire good recruiters even though they may suck *** at the job they are supposed to do on the field. Beck may have been a good QB guy, but his MAIN job was coordinating and calling the offense....and he sucked at it !!! But Tom hired him !!!!!!!
     
  14. BurntOrangeLH

    BurntOrangeLH 2,500+ Posts

    Beck is a good recruiter and a good QB coach.

    Herman let Beck call the plays the first year then interjected himself forcibly. In retrospect, that kind of means Beck originated the plan to beat Misery.
     
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  15. Austin_Bill

    Austin_Bill 2,500+ Posts

    Again, there is a difference between technique, scheme, and fundamentals. A DC will create a scheme. the position coaches are responsible for executing the scheme by teaching fundamentals and technique and how to implement them in a scheme.

    Fundamentals are what every football player does on the field such as tackling, blocking, catching, rout running, pursuit angles etc.

    Technique is very much a "how to" play a specific position. Scheme is basically what each player in a given defense is supposed to do and what his responsibility is. This will change with every defense that is called.

    There is just not enough practice time for a Coordinator/head coach to micromanage his assistants by checking up on them. Beck was too busy coaching his Qbs, and Orlando was too busy coaching his linebackers.

    Tom Herman alluded to the fact that Texas needed to get better at development of his players and this is why almost all the assistant coaches were let go. The only two position coaches kept just so happened to be the ones that were developing the guys playing for them.
     
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  16. moondog_LFZ

    moondog_LFZ 2,500+ Posts

    And Tom Herman fired him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
    When it became clear Beck was not the man for the job Herman didn't try to "teach" him.
    He fired him and moved on, hopefully to someone that does know what they're doing.
     
  17. AC

    AC 1,000+ Posts

    Exclamation points are funny. The more of them you use, the more right YOU think you are!!!!!!!!!!
    :idk:
     
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  18. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 5,000+ Posts

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Last edited: Jan 21, 2020
  19. BurntOrangeLH

    BurntOrangeLH 2,500+ Posts

    That or you overdosed on Viagra.
     
  20. AC

    AC 1,000+ Posts

    Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Been on the rode all week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  21. MajesticII

    MajesticII 1,000+ Posts

    Took him 3 years to do it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
    It was pretty clear after year one. Most didn't like the hire in the first place. What took him so long ????????
     
  22. MajesticII

    MajesticII 1,000+ Posts

    BS... Film study of practice and coaches' skull sessions work all that stuff out. If HC and OCs and DCs aren't checking out the work of their assistants they aren't doing their job.
     
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  23. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The way I read this is that we know who we are getting at the other DL spot and are happy to wait to announce. Meanwhile it let's us have Carrington on the road for now
     
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  24. Chop

    Chop 2,500+ Posts

    Giles with the interior DLs and some new coach with the DEs, or the other way around?
     
  25. X Misn Tx

    X Misn Tx 2,500+ Posts

    agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  26. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    But why wait? Signing day is coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????
     
  27. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Sounds like Joey McGuire (ex of Baylor) is a candidate
     
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  28. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    Did I ever tell you all about the time I was playing in a tennis tournament and a guy gave me Viagra for my cramps, telling me it was quinine sulfate?
     
  29. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 5,000+ Posts

    This is pretty much the same as the way we used to practice.
     
  30. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Pretty sure my entire 6th grade year was where viagra was invented
     

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