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Discussion in 'West Mall' started by BrntOrngStmpeDe, Jan 25, 2021.
This is true for the ideological leaders of BLM. I wouldn't argue against you there.
They were delaying the vote in an attempt to throw us into a constitutional crisis. 1/6 is set in stone, in the constitution. This wasn't a "protest" but rather an attempt to change the outcome of the election. It continues to this day (see: AC's reposting of loony Wendy Rogers). Insurrection is actually a more favorable description than a Coup attempt, which is what it really was.
Steve Bannon admitted as much here:
A coup involves the military taking over the government. That wasn't in the least bit what happened. A coup was more likely during the Trump administration than after the 2020 election.
I don't argue with anything else you are saying.
According to whom? You really need to quit listening to the MSM trash. Listen to what what Bannon says. It's a little different than what "Peril" says.
Want a real coup? That was on Nov 3. That will be proved in short order.
Overturning an election because you think there is fraud, before any evidence has been confirmed, is a coup no matter what marketing spin one puts on it.
Asking Pence to do the right thing is now a coup. Now I've heard everything.
Going by this definition I think 1/6 qualifies. It doesn't have to be "military" but merely a "sudden" (CHECK!), "violent" (CHECK!) and "illegal seizure of power" (CHECK!) from a government.
How many of these "We got Trump now" stories do we have to endure until you guys wise up?
"Do the right thing" = He didn't agree he had the legal authority to do.
He was being asked to help with the coup. He said no. It's all spin to justify the actions leading up to and following 1/6. This was maybe the closest the US has ever been to a real coup. A seizure of the government by an administration that had been voted out. We're all fortunate it failed.
Where did I say "we got Trump"? Those are your words, not mine. Bannon clearly stated he coordinated and encouraged 1/6 to overthrow what he believed was an invalid election. Sorry, but we aren't some banana republic that allows crackpots to be running around committing coups based on personal beliefs.
Again, listen to what Bannon said.
I hear nothing about a coup on that tape.
A coincidence this story comes out a day before tomorrow's revealing?
Somebody please tell me where the coup is on that tape. If I'm wrong then i'll admit to it.
Are you asking whether it's a coincidence Bannon talked about his 1/6 involvement on his show this week? Or was this a reference to Woodward/Costas new book that is being released shortly?
I promise to show you tomorrow. I don't want to ruin the surprise.
Are we back to claiming that a quid pro quo doesn't exist unless some actually says "quid pro quo"? Now a coup doesn't exist unless someone says the word coup? By that definition, has a coup ever occurred by any Banana Republic strongman...ever? They always say XYZ have removed the President in support of the peoples wishes then list a cavalcade of justifications. Listen yo Bannon in that context. "Biden is illegitimate", "42% of America agrees", and he goes on to say WHY they were tryng to stop an illegitimate Biden from taking power.
You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig.
What? Yes, and at the very end he says to let this illegal regime die on its own. You're reading into something that isn't there.
Where does he say he's trying to stop Biden from taking power?
This could be all true but this tape doesn't show anything.
The best witness to this is Pence. He needs to be asked if this occurred.
Sure. But look at the example given. That is the common understanding. Even granting you the definition it was maybe an attempted coup. But did those in the Capitol building intend to seize power from the government? No.
These things can all be true at the same time...
1. BLM is lead by insurrectionist who's long-term goal is the upheaval of US institutions
2. the small contingent of people that proceeded from the protest on 1/6 and broke through clear barriers and defied lawful orders and proceeding into the capital are also insurrectionist
3. The larger rally outside and the people that stayed outside without using force were completely within their rights to do so
4. The MSM has intentionally amplified the 1/6 event for political gain and tried to use it to paint not only Trump, but also Trump supporters and the GOP in general as insurrectionist
5. The MSM has downplayed the BLM acts of violence and insurrection for 15 months...again for partisan reasons
what that small group did on 1/6 was an attempt at an unlawful coup in order to install their candidate. The MSM wouldn't actually care about that unless it was a useful tool to promote their narratives and bludgeon the GOP. If this had been democrats, it would have quickly disappeared (except on Fox).
While it was an ugly event and will leave a scar, the MSM has tried to amplify it to much more than it actually was in scale, scope and significance in the fabric of America. MSM is beating this drum because they want America to tie coup=conspiracy together. They want voters to not only see the violent act but to walk away with the idea that it was a Planned event and that the planners/leaders are GOP leaders.
I really don't understand this BS with the repeated audits. Even if we saw several thousand faulty votes we are not going to see anything change at this point. Even as a guy that voted for Trump, I would not want them to try to reinstall Trump at this point because the mayhem would be outrageous. All this repeated calls for auditing does is to undermine ardent Trump supporters confidence in the system. That is not going to work out well for the GOP.
To me this is just another example of Trump being entirely focused on Trump, rather than conservative principals or even the GOP in general. At this point, every ounce of energy should be directed at winning back the Senate and House and taking back blue seats. I don't see that from Trump and that's why I still can't be a Trump guy.
"At this point, every ounce of energy should be directed at winning back the Senate and House and taking back blue seats."
Precisely! We have to look forward - and taking back the Congress in the mid-term election has to be a priority.
How do you do this it there is significant to major election fraud and your party never did due diligence to figure it out and end it?
Democrats play for keeps and Republicans enjoy moral victories. They are like the Aggies of politics. It's time for radical action to preserve freedom and the system we are in.
facts like the most immoral Supreme Court vacancy hold out differ from your statement.
The exception proves the rule. AND Kavanaugh and Barret haven't proven to be all that radical.
And remember what "radical" means in this context. To guys like Switzer, a radical is someone who thinks what the law actually says matters.
I’d say a radical would turn the other cheek when the Texas abortion law rolled through and they tacitly approved it
First, we don't know that this is the case. Second, given how well Republicans not named Trump did in 2020, it's not likely to be the case. Third, making that pitch the center of our priorities is very damaging. Obviously, it makes us look like crackpots to people who aren't solidly in our camp. However, it also suppresses our OWN turnout by telling voters it basically doesn't matter if they show up. Chuck Schumer runs the Senate now basically because of this goofiness, and of course, it's a colossal policy gift to Democrats. They get a free and very easy diversion from the worst things they do. It's dumb all the way around.
Dude, they didn't tacitly approve anything. They care what the law says. I know you don't, but they do.
A radical (from a conservative perspective) would rationalize that it denies equal protection to the unborn to criminalize murder without including the unborn. Letting states regulate abortion as they choose is what anybody who's not a lawless tyrant would do.