Protecting our 2nd Amendment Rights

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  1. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 5,000+ Posts

    Ironically supplied by the US government just like to Ukraine civilians.
  2. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Yes. Remember Obama's brilliant Fast and Furious operation?
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  3. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    First they denied it
    then they tried to cover it up
    IIRC one of the weapons was used to kill a Border Agent
    One of but not the only incredible stupid move by obama admin
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  4. theiioftx

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  5. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    Police: Tennessee shooting leads to 3 dead, 14 injured

    It will be interesting to see who did this. Sounds like gang-warfare. No mention of gun control in the article.

    So this always makes me wonder about why the NRA is so vilified when we know the ACLU and others will demand a full civil rights investigation if the perps are in a politically protected class. The ACLU is basically the same as the NRA. They are there to protect and enforce certain clauses in the Bill of Rights. We also know that trial lawyers (Personal Injury) and defense lawyers are favored by the Left.

    In the end, I see more hypocrisy.

    Am I wrong?
  6. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    No, just blindness to Western Hemisphere violence.
  7. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Similar shooting in Philly last night.
  8. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Libs lie, example 1,233,987:

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  9. Run Pincher

    Run Pincher 2,500+ Posts

  10. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Food for thought. Read the whole thing.

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  11. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    A reminder that Constitutional Rights are God-given in creation not conferred by government. The right to defend yourself is a part of natural rights. You have a right to live therefore you have a right to protect your life how YOU decide. The government doesn't get to decide for you.

    Natural rights protect God's desire for you to live out natural law. Natural law is how God designed human life to go which is aligned with human nature. It is your best life. It gives you meaning and purpose and joy. The ultimate end is to know and worship God. You also have to know who you are as an individual and live out who God made you individually.
  12. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    Liberals equate the modern era of fossil fuel burning to increased levels of CO2 and methane in our atmosphere, so to them, that is the variable causing climate change.

    We now seemingly have more random violence than ever before (at least it seems that way to me; I never thought about things like this years ago) and we have the same gun laws and prevalence of guns in society. So guns are not a variable that has changed.

    Why is the answer not that the will to kill has increased but instead the means of death?
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  13. guy4321

    guy4321 1,000+ Posts

    Yes, but I suspect there are limits to the right to defend oneself which even you approve of. Here's two guesses -

    1) Age to purchase firearm - Is it okay that no 10 year old can buy a firearm?
    2) Nuclear weapon - Is it okay that no private citizen can purchase a nuclear weapon?
  14. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    1) 10 years olds can't buy anything really because they don't have any money. Plus children are categorically different than adults.

    2) Idk. I trust normal people more than I do politicians. Not sure how an individual would protect himself with a nuke too. Plus the cost. Don't think this is an issue practically.
  15. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 5,000+ Posts

    I love it how y'all always start with the most absurd ideas then try to apply that same logic to more rational situations then say, "Well you agreed no nuclear weapons....".

    Look, we have a president who sniffs children and cant complete a sentence. We have a vice president who cackles every time she gets nervous and I haven't heard one intelligent thing from her since blowing her way to office. I refuse to allow that group to even try to change how I own or handle my weapons because like everything else they've done since being in office they'll screw it up royally.
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  16. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    I keep hearing what a shining model Australia is for gun control. The same country where citizens were locked down and beaten on the streets by their government. No thanks.
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  17. guy4321

    guy4321 1,000+ Posts

    Make the age 16. They can drive, have jobs, and afford one gun yet nearly ever state prevents 16-year-olds from purchasing them. The point is while constitutional rights are God-given in creation and not conferred by government, the government is still allowed to prevent unfettered use of that God-given right.

    The nuke one is easy. It's prevented because in order to use it against an intruder, a person is going to harm several innocent bystanders.

    Unwilling to discuss the right to bear arms because of who the president is is how we stay the same. There must be something you want changed, which another side doesn't. They have to compromise to get what they want.
  18. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    I'm kind of out there at times but here's some gun control I'd like:

    Anyone in possession of a gun that has been outfitted with a trigger gets life in prison, no parole. It's illegal right now according to the article but it needs to have teeth.

    It's game over as far as I'm concerned. We have a cancer in our midst and we need draconian measures for the laws that we agree are necessary. This doesn't take guns from you; it addresses you need to used a gun in ways that a civilized society does not care to deal with.

    Sorry, that's how I feel about it.

    And if you ask why then I'll tell you why. Someone I know very well lost a family member in the Tulsa murder. It's the will to kill and we have to glean intent and this rig is intended to be used in other ways.

    Feds concerned about devices that make handguns into mini-machine guns
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  19. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts


  20. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Let one of them get mugged car jacked
    Or their house broken into while their kids slept
    And ask them again
  21. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Shouldn't the DOJ be neutral on the ruling? But we all know government bureaucracies are very political.
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  22. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    The DOJ has proven to be highly political over the last years beginning with Obama.
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  23. guy4321

    guy4321 1,000+ Posts

    We are for justice - after all, it's in our name - if it's the correct way.

    - The Department of Justice
  24. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I don't so much care if they say they disagree with a ruling. I do care when they suggest that they may not respect and enforce a ruling like they're doing with the abortion ruling.
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  25. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Well they are not enforcing the law now when it is democrats breaking the law.
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  26. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    When you have Demx Pols including senior members of Congress, DOJ, media talking heads and most of Hollywood calling for insurrection Who will stop it?
  27. EDT

    EDT 1,000+ Posts

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  28. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    EDT for the WIN:usflag::usflag::usflag::usflag:
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  29. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    For the mass shooting yesterday in Chicago, the same scenario with none of the expansive gun laws working. Idiot posted online violence but nobody reported it and no social media banned him because he was not posting conservative thought.
  30. OUBubba

    OUBubba Reluctant and Bullied Sponsor

    There was some nice footage of him at a Trump rally!

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