Rank the Big 12 Coaches

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by Chop, Oct 26, 2020.

  1. Chop

    Chop 2,500+ Posts

    My subjective ranking:

    1. Patterson (Dude does more with less, and has our #)
    2. Mullet (almost made him #1)
    3. Lincoln Riley (OU sucks, but their coach sure doesn't)
    4. Les Miles (based solely on his past successes with other teams, including a national championship--obviously KU sucks now)
    5. Matt Campbell (would have been near my top a few years ago. His luster has worn off some, but he's still a really good coach; more of a Big 10 sort of guy)
    6. Tom
    7. Klieman (could shoot up the rankings)
    8. Aranda (great D assistant at LSU, but can he make BU a winner, and keep them there?)
    9. Wells (did well at Utah St, but so what...)
    10. Neal Brown (has yet to show us much)

    Any of #s 1-3 would tear it up at UT
     
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  2. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers 500+ Posts

    It's hard to say, as success on the field is normalized by the subjective aspect of how good that school should do.

    Without looking it up, I'd wager Texas has a better record than TCU that past 3 years overall, and better bowls. But, TCU has whipped up on Texas, and there's the subjective aspect of how well any coach can / should do at TCU compared to Texas.

    I'd break down the B12 into 3 groups, and rank the teams in that.

    Top tier by history and resources: Texas and OU.
    Mid-range, winning seasons most years: OSU, TCU, Baylor, etc.

    Bottom tier - Kansas, not sure who else.

    Then rank coaches in that group. Otherwise, who's better - Mullet or Herman? Mullet has a 2-1 record, but no B12 games, no major bowls. But how well should he be doing? Depends on how much you think OSU is capable of.
     
  3. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    OTOH, Gundy has had as much as or more talent than Texas for most of the past decade and has only beaten OU twice. 1-4 against OU is bad enough, but nobody at Texas would even be allowed to get to 2-12.
     
  4. Chop

    Chop 2,500+ Posts

    Well he developed them, and found the diamonds in the rough.
     
  5. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers 500+ Posts

    And with say Patterson, I don't know how he'd do here, probably well, but there's a lot more to running the football operations at a major school than at TCU.

    No one expects much, or really gets that fired up there. Alumni, media focus, fund raising campaigns, it's a whole separate world. Sort of like a guy who owns a small restaurant that seats 20, and cooks what he likes, compared to running a huge place in a big city, with food critics going over every aspect of the place.

    And yeah Gundy has a terrible record against OU, but at OSU, if he beats them every 5-6 years that's plenty.
     
  6. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 5,000+ Posts

    Herman and Gundy should only be used in the same sentence if Herman is taking lessons from Gundy.

    One is a coach, and developer of players, the other is a wannabe
     
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  7. Badass

    Badass 2,500+ Posts

    Ur #7 is under rated
    #4 over rated
    ... my $.02
     
  8. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 1,000+ Posts

    Gundy would wear that oan or whatever shirt and never be seen again in Austin...
     
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  9. Chop

    Chop 2,500+ Posts

    Klieman may really come on strong. The Cats look pretty decent.
     
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  10. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    I'll use the name of the school to stand for the coach in my rankings:

    1. ou
    2.Tcu
    3. osu
    4. Isu
    5.Ksu
    7.Texas
    8. Ku
    9. ttu
    10. bu (not enough data to have any idea. Aranda needs a couple of years to show)
     
  11. Chop

    Chop 2,500+ Posts

    Klieman at KSU is an interesting fit that may turn out very well. Being KSU, they were unable to attract big name coaches. Instead, they went with a coach who has had sustained strong success at lower level programs on the Great Plains - No Iowa, ND State. Probably a good move as it appears that Klieman can really coach.
     
  12. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 5,000+ Posts

    Because he beats up on Texas annually doesn't make him the best coach in conference. He's not doing crap with less talent this year. If he does usually do more with less then why can't he get better players? Recruiting is part of college coaching. If he's so good at "coaching them up" it seems like he should be better at pointing that out to top recruits so he doesn't end up in this years position where they really really suck...but beat Texas again.
     
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  13. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    Good list, Chop. Fairly close to mine, with a few exceptions...

    Most notable is I'd have Klieman higher
    I think Gundy is overrated, though I like the guy
    Still think Riley may be a bit overrated, too
    Think Wells will move up
    Think Miles will move down
     
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  14. KBBAKER

    KBBAKER 500+ Posts

    As the years wear on, Patterson gets more over-rated.

    Riley is No. 1 until someone can beat the guy (think B12 Championships).
     
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  15. KBBAKER

    KBBAKER 500+ Posts

    I believe Gundy would go 11-1 at UT every season. However, his lone loss each year would be in the "mind-numbing" category. It would drive UT fans crazy. Of course, I'd rather ***** about one loss, than 4-5 (Herman).
     
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  16. PecosBill

    PecosBill 500+ Posts

    Tier 1 CFP level HC - You have to be there to be #1
    1 Riley

    Tier 2 B12 CCG level HC - Be there or runner up.
    2 Gundy
    3 Campbell
    4 Patterson and Herman tie


    Tier 3 Improving Program HC - tbd
    6 Klieman
    7 Aranda, Wells, Brown tie
    10 Miles
     
  17. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 5,000+ Posts

    Miles at Kansas hasn't done much. But last year he strolled into Austin and but for Dicker's 33 yard field goal as the clock expired, they would have strolled out with a W
    I'm not going to discount the Jayhawks this year either.
     
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  18. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 5,000+ Posts

    I think I would chalk that up to our uncanny ability to lose or play down to any team in the country.
     
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  19. Chop

    Chop 2,500+ Posts

    Top 50 from all conferences ranked in the link below.

    Interesting tidbits:

    Harsin #43
    Neal Brown #40
    Les Miles #38
    Klieman #35
    Gundy #32
    Campbell #29
    Leach #28
    Patterson #20
    Mack Brown #19
    Tom Herman #15 (2nd best in the conference)
    Lincoln Riley #7
    Jimbo Fisher #5
    Big Ed #3
    Dabo #2
    Saban #1

    Best college football coaches in 2020, ranked
     
  20. Creek

    Creek 500+ Posts

    Herman at TCU could beat Herman at Texas.
     
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