Remember teachers, don't scare students with capital letters..

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by HornyBill, Nov 21, 2018.

  1. HornyBill

    HornyBill 25+ Posts

  2. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    Damn, people would be borderline suicidal if they got the grading I got in my first quarter of law school. I sucked at first year Civil Procedure, and my professor marked the living hell out of my exam. He used a thick-pointed red Sharpie, big letters, used all caps, and was sarcastic in his remarks. I remember a few: Lots of "NO!!!" "ARE YOU JOKING?" "DID YOU LEARN NOTHING IN MY CLASS?" "IF YOU DO NOT GET IT TOGETHER, YOU MAY AS WELL DROP OUT NOW."

    Rough.
     
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  3. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    It would be even worse if they were in a marketing department and had to respond to emails from people WHO TYPE EVERYTHING IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE INTERNET WAS LIKE WHEN THEY STARTED USING COMPUTERS AND THIS IS HOW THEY KNOW TO TYPE.
     
  4. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    You're all showing your age. Internet etiquette now is all caps represents "yelling".

    My 75yr old Father-in-law types in all caps on Facebook. Yes, my 16, 17 and 19yr old boys are constantly asking why Papa is yelling all the time. Of course, the very nice and mild mannered gentleman we all know and love is also a different person on Facebook. He's far-right and racist even though his wife is 100% Filipino. He grew up in Billings, MT as an only child to a 100% German couple. There are things on the Internet that are certainly tapping into his youth.
     
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  5. HornyBill

    HornyBill 25+ Posts

    People need a thicker skin in general. We have never been "softer" as a society than we are right now.
     
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  6. Monahorns

    Monahorns 1,000+ Posts

    DOES THIS SCARE YOU KIDS?! HUH! MWOOHAHAHAHA!
     
  7. mb227

    mb227 1,000+ Posts

    In the broader sense, it is about catering to the effing snowflakes. Eff them!

    I've had more than one that tried crying to my managing partner about some of my online presence. Fortunately, I work in an office that believes in free speech...and more critically, does NOT cater to speshul snowflake pc crap...
     
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  8. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    Wow. So do your people know about your presence here?
     
  9. mb227

    mb227 1,000+ Posts

    LOL...probably. They KNOW that come Monday of any given football week, there is going to be SOMETHING Texas-related and they KNOW that JoeFan is the source of many good images passed around the office ;)
     
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  10. HornyBill

    HornyBill 25+ Posts

  11. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    We don't really over parent. We just crappily parent. A parent today will always make sure little Johnny (or more likely little Caleb or Declan) wears a bicycle helmet and has the coolest toys and gadgets. However, they'll often check out when it comes to teaching them basic social skills, morality, and character and by default, delegate that to public schools.
     
  12. Monahorns

    Monahorns 1,000+ Posts

    Parents were also taught that morals and character don't matter other than to cause them to judge others. Experts have also been teaching parents that they are not to discipline their children. The latest view is that you should never even tell a child No. It will get worse.
     
  13. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    It already is dramatically worse in many parts of Europe. Norway is particularly atrocious.
     
  14. Monahorns

    Monahorns 1,000+ Posts

    The Bible says he who spares the rod hates his child. Nothing about spoiling them. It's hate.
     
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  15. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    But they feel so good about themselves. Lol. I've known kids who weren't spanked who turned out ok. However, most kids I know who weren't spanked did not turn out ok.

    For the most part, if a kid (especially a boy) doesn't have a certain degree of fear of his dad (Sorry, I don't think a mom can generate that fear.), he's going to be a jackass. He'll disobey, be disrespectful, won't obey rules, etc.
     
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  16. Monahorns

    Monahorns 1,000+ Posts

  17. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    Here's a good example of that fear. About 18 years ago, I was in the room when my dad and grandfather were talking about some issue. They weren't fighting or getting loud but clearly didn't agree. My dad made his point but was pretty passive and didn't push back.

    Later, I asked my dad why he didn't challenge certain points about which he was clearly right. He said to me, "because when I have a disagreement with your grandfather, there's a line I don't cross. Even though he's in his 80s and clearly shouldn't be a physical threat to me, in the back of my mind, there's always a fear that if I piss him off, he might fly here and find some way to whip my *** like he used to. Good fathers can generate that kind of fear and intimidation long after they stopped being bigger and stronger."
     
  18. Monahorns

    Monahorns 1,000+ Posts

    Yeah. I don't know that I fear my dad like that, but I definitely don't feel comfortable disrespecting him. Probably something subconscious makes me feel that way.
     
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  19. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    I'm more like you. I don't fear my dad to that extent, but I'd never show him disrespect. My granddad was a badass.
     
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  20. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 5,000+ Posts

    The last serious punishment for my daughter was when she was about 8 yrs old and now 17. Burned matches were being found all over the house and she was the only possible culprit but she denied ever doing it. I told her the next time I find a burned match from her she was going to get it because she could burn the house down. Couple weeks later there were several in her sink so it was on. To this day she has denied burning those matches, but I haven't seen one since. Now when she acts up all I have to do is give her an intense eye to eye look and she corrects the behavior and apologizes. I have to believe that the memory of that day will forever remain as a reminder there are consequences to poor behavior and decisions.

    Starting discipline young has saved me a lot of teenager issues.
     
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  21. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada Liquor Man

    I started physical punishment on my two boys at around age 4. By age 6 I never had any troubles. I gave them some freedom to bow up and backtalk to me as they became adolescents, but if they crossed a line (and I defined the line), all I had to do was raise my voice and bluster back at them a bit. I got apologies and never got further trouble. Neither did other adult authority figures.
     
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  22. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    My dad's in his 80s now and although he's in good health he's certainly not a threat - I think he's shrinking actually. I remember him towering over me (or at least it felt that way) even when I probably wasn't that much shorter.

    He probably only spanked me a handful of times and they weren't really that bad. But at some point it stopped being about being worried about pain, and it became being afraid of him just being angry. And then at some point, it was being afraid of him being disappointed. Pretty sure the last one has always been the worst.
     
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  23. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    Not writing in all-caps as a measure of not being a jackass, sure. As a rule to avoid because it frightens students, no.

    From anecdotal evidence only, I think that's mostly not because of the spanking. It's because the parents who spanked also tended to be better parents in a lot of other ways, and the parents who didn't also tended to be worse parents in a lot of other ways.

    E.g. a pushover who talks big about rules but then lets their kids easily whine into getting their way all the time is likely not going to spank either. But that type of parenting is going to fail just as badly (or maybe even more badly) if it includes spankings the rare times they hold firm to rules that then get broken.
     
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  24. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    I think you're right. That's why some non-spankers still do a respectable job. And to be clear, there are spankers who do it very wrong and do a terrible job. Some do it more out of frustration and anger rather than as part of a deliberate plan to teach the child boundaries, rules, and respect. I also know some who will stay pissed off and sullen long after the kid has apologized and shown genuine contrition. Not good.
     
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  25. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Parents who spank in general tend to be parents who see behaviors in their kids that need to change, and they believe they can be corrected. The primary difference - I believe - is that the other group often sees their kid's behavior and kind of assumes that it's who they are, or that nothing they do can change anything about him/her. A lady I work with talks about her son being basically out of control in some ways, and how he's probably going to end up in jail (jokingly, I don't think she really believes that), but from how she talks about the way her kids interact with her, it starts to become pretty obvious that she's let them run the show enough to where now they believe it and she doesn't have the energy half the time to fight that battle.

    It likely does start early when you let kids fall into bad habits, and then rather than recognizing why they act that way, you start treating it as the new normal.
     
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