Rising Crime & Train Robberies

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Chop, Dec 10, 2021.

  1. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life 5,000+ Posts

    Except in this case they are saying they haven't passed it along to the consumer yet. The investors took the hit through lower margins which deliver lower net income. That in turn results in lower stock confidence and lower dividends. Only so long investors will take the hit.
  2. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    Well ... here's one church group that actually pushed hard to defund the police. How's your beloved City of Brotherly Love faring now ...?

    6 reasons why it’s time to defund the police

    AFSC joins call to defund the police

    "On June 5, American Friends Service Committee (AFSC) called “on cities and states to invest money in schools, health care, and transformative justice approaches, rather than funding the police."

    Defund the police--what could possibly go wrong?
    Folks need to think! Common sense is authorized after all ...
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  3. HornHuskerDad

    HornHuskerDad 5,000+ Posts

    ...although it would appear that common sense is becoming a rare commodity.
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  4. Hideo Gump Jr.

    Hideo Gump Jr. 500+ Posts

    “Common sense is not so common.”

    -Candide Voltaire
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  5. Run Pincher

    Run Pincher 1,000+ Posts

  6. mb227

    mb227 5,000+ Posts

  7. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    See video below -- just in case any crawfishers, flip-floppers, or backtrackers start saying they weren't pushing "defund the police." Here's the proof, here they are -- 7 minutes of them advocating to defund the police.

    Beto makes an appearance. As does London Breed (mayor SF), DiBlasio (mayor NYC), Ted Wheeler (mayor Portland), numerous congressional office holders, etc. The GOP is going to rub this one in Beto's nose.
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  8. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Is there room?
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  9. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    Our beautiful state is being overrun by millions of job seekers from the south and tax refugees from California and sold at inflated prices by the real estate industry. Anybody who thinks this is not the opening wave of Californication and high density anthill cities is fooling themselves
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  10. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    Well, what we probably will end up with is a California-like water problem. It's been real wet for the last 10 years or so. Remember the 10 years before that when it was a drought? Add in 5 million more people for the next drought...

    Fortunately, at least one new lake is being dammed up. We need more.

    Proactive, not reactive.
  11. HornHuskerDad

    HornHuskerDad 5,000+ Posts

    Absolutely incredible - Seattle-area prosecutor defends light-on-crime approach for teens wielding guns at school: 'Get used to this' | Fox News.
    Excerpt from the link - "According to Carr’s presentation, juveniles accused of assault, burglary, criminal trespassing, felony harassment, obstructing a law enforcement officer or second-degree unlawful possession of a firearm can still be referred to the restorative justice program and avoid appearing before a judge."
    One more excerpt - "The program will also accept juveniles accused of "organized retail theft" or those either found to be in possession of a stolen vehicle or who take a vehicle without permission. As long as the juvenile didn’t use a deadly weapon or firearm in carrying out the carjacking, restorative justice is an option for them. "
    And they wonder why crime is increasing!
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  12. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Well, if restorative justice means a modern day chamber of horrors, might not be so bad.
  13. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Why anyone would vote for these idiots is unbelievable to me. And why any sane person chooses to live in these high tax, high crime cities is equally baffling.
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  14. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    A strong case could be made that Seattle was once the best city in the nation. It’s sad how it has descended into the abyss. Ideology prevailed over pragmatism, logic, and common sense.
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  15. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    There is also a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature, in particular the nature of the criminal mind. Not everybody is nice. Not everybody will do good (or at least refrain from doing bad) when nobody is watching. There is a sizable subset of people who only refrain from doing awful things because they fear punishment. When that fear of punishment goes away, so do their restraints, and looting and anarchy prevail.

    The mushy hippy-dippy thinking—that everybody is good—simply does not comport with reality.
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  16. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    It seems like big cities go through cycles. The crackpots aren't a majority, but they're loud enough to set the agenda if given the power. The non-crackpots (business leaders, professionals, families, etc.) tolerate them enough to let them have a significant degree of power usually by the crackpots winning Democratic primary elections. (The GOP isn't strong enough to be consistently competitive and only win when the Democrats are completely tone deaf.)

    Eventually, things turn to ****. Crime spikes. Drug addicts and bums become a visible blight - shooting up in public, camping on the sidewalks, taking a crap on the street, etc. The crackpots downplay, ignore, or justify it, but eventually it starts to hurt the non-crackpots and their bottom lines and they say "no more." That happened in the '90s several major cities tossed progressive leaders for more moderate ones in primaries, and some of even elected Republican mayors for the first time in a long time.

    Then you see an urban Renaissance, and the problems get a lot more manageable. The non-crackpots start becoming receptive to the be crackpots again. They start winning, and the process repeats itself. That clearly happened in the 2010s, and now the non-crackpots are losing their patience with the crackpots. That's why Eric Adams won in New York. It's why a Republican became City Attorney in Seattle. (She's not a conservative. She's just a Democrat who isn't a lunatic.) It's why London Breed and Lori Lightfoot are starting to talk like Rudy Giuliani on crime. It wouldn't surprise me if freak shows like Chesa Boudin and Kim Foxx start running into electoral trouble. (Boudin is already facing a potential recall.)
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  17. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    On the same note, the decline of religion has also contributed. You can bet that, throughout history, plenty of would be murderers, robbers, etc. refrained due to fear of divine punishment—now or in the afterlife. Without the prevalence of those beliefs, that’s one less check on the behaviors of folks inclined towards doing really bad things.

    I’ve had this discussion with an atheist friend of mine, and he wholeheartedly agrees. He even said he wishes there was more religion in society, as long as they don’t push it on him.
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  18. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Excellent points, Chop. I would have hit "like" for your post but you already had three of them and I don't want you to get a swollen head...
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  19. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I'm generally a defender not only of my own faith (Christianity) but of religious observance in general. However, I somewhat question this. Do atheists and agnostics make up a disproportionate share of the criminal population? I'm open to that premise, but I've seen no evidence of it.
  20. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    I’ve always said it goes back to forbidding prayer in school. Pandora was set loose.
  21. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Much of the criminal population is more likely people who are neither thoughtful nor introspective enough to know what type of religious beliefs, if any, they hold. I would postulate that for many of them, a lack of regular exposure to religious practices while young contributed to the lack of introspection.
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  22. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    Also the society-wide decline in manners and politeness, and the general decline in people being kind to strangers, probably has something to do with it.
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  23. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers 1,000+ Posts

    This is the "drunk, on the wagon, drunk, back on the wagon" concept of a self-correcting political system. But as Detroit shows, you can ruin a city to the point that it doesn't ever come back.

    Rich leftists pump so much money into once obscure races like DA's in cities that whoever they back has the big advantage - and with the jungle primary systems (is that racialist now to call them that?), the electorate gets the choice in the general election between a complete communist, and merely a hard core leftist. With not ever a guarantee that the commie won't win - see the above DA races.

    Of the above elected characters mentioned above, none of them have actually done anything to make their cities less of a hell hole. Eric Adams allowed non-citizens to vote in NYC's elections, and said honkey supremacy was the big issue in New York. SF's mayor and Mayor Beetlejuice from Chicago (that's one ugly dude!) had said throw away lines about fighting crime - let me know if they actually do anything to go against their commie crime loving base.

    Personally, I'd just as soon see these cities become failed urban hell holes, where CHUD's run wild and the living envy the dead. As long as we have laws against any refugee from said hellholes ever voting in elections in another state. Should be a law - you ruin a city or state via your votes, and you're done voting forever.
  24. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

  25. guy4321

    guy4321 25+ Posts

    LOL. Typical. Guess what - all murders, robbers, etc have the same wish 'don't push religion on me'.
  26. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    I don’t think I follow you. He is most definitely not a robber, murderer, etc. He’s just a non-believer who appreciates the effects of a population internally constrained by the rules of religion. Hence, he appreciates religion, although he doesn’t believe in it.
  27. Chop

    Chop 5,000+ Posts

    NYC mayor denies crime problem--it's just a perception he says...

    Michelle Go pushed onto tracks and run over by train in Times Square station.

    Bob McManus lets loose in the NY Post:

    “Take a bow, Bill de Blasio — Michelle Go’s death is on you. You and your feckless ideologue of a social-services czar, Steven Banks, the man most responsible for the return of pre-Giuliani chaos to New York’s public spaces,” he wrote. “And take a deep breath, Eric Adams — those spaces are recoverable, but not without prompt and ruthless effort and a willingness to sail directly into New York’s prevailing political winds.”

    And McManus on Twitter:

    "Why are the subways so full of babbling lunatics in the first place..."

    I ask myself that question after some trips to NYC.

    New 'tough on crime' mayor Adams declares NYC subways safe after gruesome murder, it's only a 'perception of fear' · American Wire News
  28. guy4321

    guy4321 25+ Posts

    I can try again. Your pal likes religion around but doesn't want it pushed on him. I'm not saying your pal is a robber or a murder but switching to the set of people who are: how many robbers and murders want religion pushed on them? We can safely guess around zero. So... how are we going to get back to the effects of a population internally constrained by the rules of religion?
  29. AC

    AC 2,500+ Posts

    I loved my trips to Seattle in the 90's & early 2000's. It really was one of the top cities in America then. I used to see bald eagles every other trip up there. When I went up North of Seattle, to Anacortes. It was truly beautiful.
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  30. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I'm not a huge Andrew McCarthy fan, but it's hard to argue with his analysis of the progressive prosecutor. Link.
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