Shock- Whitehouse erased emails prior to '03

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Summerof79, Jan 17, 2008.

  1. Summerof79

    Summerof79 2,500+ Posts

    Well I don't know who this would surprise anymore, but still probably worthy of discussion whether you the act was one of incompetence, deliberate, or just a perfectly understandable mistake. Apparently for some unknown reason the policy of actually keeping copies of email communication from a Presidency was changed when President Bush came into office. In reply to:

     
  2. SubliminalHorn

    SubliminalHorn 500+ Posts

    Nothing to see here. Move along, move along.
     
  3. triplehorn

    triplehorn 2,500+ Posts

    Accident or change in policy ? Probably neither.

    If these emails and backups were deliberately deleted, Theresa Payton's (complete) statement reveals that the date when the deletion occurred was no later than October 2003. This corresponds to the exact time when the DOJ started investigating the Plame leak.

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  4. triplehorn

    triplehorn 2,500+ Posts

    In a letter to Libby's defense attorneys who were demanding more information from the prosecution, Patrick Fitzgerald revealed he was aware of this email archiving 'problem' and hinted at it in an attached exhibit:

    "In an abundance of caution, we advise you that we have learned that not all e-mail of the Office of Vice President and the Executive Office of the President for certain time periods in 2003 was preserved through the normal archiving process on the White House computer system."

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  5. Summerof79

    Summerof79 2,500+ Posts

    What's funny is that since the evidence was destroyed this statement is true from the article

     
  6. groverat

    groverat 2,500+ Posts

    This administration is full of absolute scum.
     
  7. Ag with kids

    Ag with kids 2,500+ Posts

  8. Mr.Wizard

    Mr.Wizard 1,000+ Posts

    Amy Whitehouse
     
  9. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

  10. LostinTime

    LostinTime 25+ Posts

    Yea we all know the previous one never covered up or lied about anything. [​IMG]
     
  11. TxStHorn

    TxStHorn 1,000+ Posts

    I'd much rather have a President covering up and lying about sleeping with some intern than lying about Constitutional infractions, broken laws, and breeches of national security.

    We didn't know how good we had it when all we were concerned about was a cigar....
     
  12. BrûléeOrange

    BrûléeOrange 500+ Posts

    This administration (and supporters) has come along way from their outrage & rancor regarding missing "W" keys on computer keyboards to their blasé attitude about missing/covered up/destroyed files. [​IMG]
     
  13. SubliminalHorn

    SubliminalHorn 500+ Posts


     
  14. LurkerintheDark

    LurkerintheDark 250+ Posts

    In this, the Information Age, we are facing serious problems of What to keep and How to keep it. We can keep more information than ever, but it's also easier than ever to destroy, virtually (pun?) without trace, inconvenient information. While I have little doubt that this particular administration is one of the most venal, dishonest, and corrupt in our nation's history, this is actually a systemic problem rather than a specifically Bushco problem. Bushco is merely the poster child for all of the ways that a government can go wrong. But, make no mistake, the temptation will be there for subsequent presidents and their minions to carry on in the Bushco tradition.

    How EXACTLY is an administration to be credibly prevented from doing this? What sanctions can be implemented, and how are they to be enforced? And WHO does the enforcing?

    We will see much more of this in the future, or, most probably, we WON'T see it when it is done most of the time. Electronic documents aren't REAL the way printed documents are.

    Our technology is double-edged. In addition to its clear benefits, it has created completely new and ingenious ways for our government to screw us over.
     
  15. Ag with kids

    Ag with kids 2,500+ Posts

    FWIW...

    Once you wade through alll the Bush is the Devil hits on Google, you can find things like this, which point out that tape recycling IS a standard practice...(search for recycle - it's a long white paper)...
     
  16. roy_batty

    roy_batty 250+ Posts

    Yes, recycling media is a standard practice.

    No, media recycling, particularly in the FOIA government, isn't some careless process that can be initiated on a whim.

    If you're arguing human error as the cause with an Oracle white paper as your support, you've got a long way to go toward explaining just how this convenient accident just happened without any authorization information being left behind.
     
  17. Ag with kids

    Ag with kids 2,500+ Posts

    The only comment I'm making here is that their assertion that they recycled tapes up until Oct 2003 is plausible.

    That has been questioned...
     
  18. triplehorn

    triplehorn 2,500+ Posts

    While the White House is supposed to preserve all of its documents that pertain to official business including records of communication using officials lines such as the White House email and phone system, it's one thing to lose something in some kind of mistake and another to intentionally delete records that by law have to be preserved. If they are destroyed as a result of an investigation, that would be another different kind of lawbreaking. Still another legal problem arises when records of official business conducted by the White House are not destroyed, but rather were 'never created' because of on the job deals being organized using 'non-official lines of communication' such as email accounts stored on RNC servers.

    Take this example from an ongoing Congressional investigation:

     
  19. Ag with kids

    Ag with kids 2,500+ Posts

    Also, the previous admin only stopped recycling tapes in 2000, so for the first 7 years of that admin, they were not preserved.

    I'm not using that to damn the previous admin, but rather to show that, even with the FOAI, it's not unheard of to recycle the tapes...
     
  20. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

    and all the while when the day is done, all the pubs and dems are hanging out at cocktail parties laughing at all the internet conspiracy theorists.
     
  21. triplehorn

    triplehorn 2,500+ Posts


     
  22. triplehorn

    triplehorn 2,500+ Posts

    Also this in today's WaPo:The Link In reply to:


     
  23. Ag with kids

    Ag with kids 2,500+ Posts


     
  24. WhitmanSampler

    WhitmanSampler 250+ Posts

    Ag-with-kids: I've always liked your posts, though we often disagree, but you are verging on becoming an apologist.
     
  25. roy_batty

    roy_batty 250+ Posts


     
  26. Ag with kids

    Ag with kids 2,500+ Posts


     

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