Should there be a Kurdistan?

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Musburger1, Dec 9, 2015.

  1. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

    Losing the clerics.

     
  2. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    Robertson doesn't get to confer heaven's mandate. Neither is he heaven's conduit for communication.
     
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  3. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

    Who should we choose to believe? A respected cleric in the Christian evangelical sect or a guy on a football board?
     
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  4. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

  5. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

  6. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    I would say you are smart enough to decide for yourself who to trust, but...
     
  7. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    The US is not abandoning the Kurds. They were fighting Turkey before the US got involved in Syria and they will be fighting Turkey after we leave, in a month or a century.
     
  8. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

     
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  9. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Turkey's offensive has started. Who knows what is happening to the 20 prisons and camps housing 11,000 ISIS members and their families. I can't imagine Kurdish guards sticking around while the Syrians are coming to exterminate them.

    This is a clusterfuck on the level of the initial Gulf War II (Bush), removing all Baathists from Iraqi's military (Bush), and prematurely drawing down troops from Iraq (Obama).

    There are very few issues that unite Ds and Rs but this seems to be one, sans Paul's isolationist stance.

    Edited to correct typo from Syria to Turkey.
     
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  10. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    Syria isn't attacking anyone. Turkey is threatening but hasn't yet. ISIS is looking to partner with Turkey to see if they can get some land back.

    The Kurds are looking to Syria for backing or Russia.

    This is exactly what the US wants if there has to be fighting. All these guys wasting there blood and treasure.
     
  11. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Typo and corrected. Thanks for the assist.

    Not sure the Kurds can turn to Syria because there is no love lost there. Sure, Syria doesn't want to lose land but they've already lost it to the Kurds. They have no presence in the North and little power to aid the Kurds even if they wanted.

    At best Assad is sitting back and laughing at the massacre of the Kurds.
     
  12. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    That isn't what many people in the know believe, but carry on.
     
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  13. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    In the know = deep state conspiracists?

    The public statements from former officials directly working on Middle East matter (e.g. Brett Mcgurk) inform my position.
     
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  14. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

    Not accurate.

     
  15. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

  16. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    How long should we wait for Assad and the Russians to come to the aid of the Kurds?

    We now have video evidence of Turkish planes invading Syria's airspace and with no Syrian/Russian Migs in sight.

    Meanwhile, Trump has loudly scolded Erdogan.
     
  17. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

     
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  18. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I wanted to laugh but it's sad to do this to our allies.
     
  19. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts



    I'll say it again...this was a very cheap military conflict (less than 1k troops) having a great impact, unlike Iraq and Afghanistan.
     
  20. LongestHorn

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  21. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    You believe those whose job it is to lie and withhold information for us. I believe those who have boots on the ground or are talking to those who do to better understand the situation.
     
  22. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    SH, Amash wants the US out of all of them. I agree with him.
     
  23. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

    Link?
     
  24. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I understand that. As a resident Trump dissident I appreciated Amash calling BS on Trump's claims.
     
  25. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

  26. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    I already provided one. Go look it up.
     
  27. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

    No. You didn’t. It’s two pages, Ace. And you have not posted a single link.

    Why lie?
     
  28. Monahorns

    Monahorns 2,500+ Posts

    I provided one on the Jerusalem thread.
     
  29. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

    Lemme help you do the heavy lifting and tell you what Scott Horton said, with a link.

    The Kurds were stupid to believe anything the US told them. The US will leave them high and dry. Dumb Kurds should have done a deal with Assad. Too bad. Turks gonna wipe em out.
     
  30. LongestHorn

    LongestHorn 1,000+ Posts

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