So I don't think this will end well.

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by LonghornDave, Feb 4, 2022.

  1. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    So with this year's NIL just starting to show how aggressive it will be at some schools and most schools unable to keep up, I was wondering if the 85 player scholarship limit will even matter. Looking at the rule, it seems like NIL is not "related" to the school but rather the individual. aggie showed that rounding up sponsors to "target" players will be the norm at the moneyed schools. So I was wondering, "why "waste" a scholarship on a kid making 250k a year? Wouldn't a QB making 1 million rather have another OT than a scholarship. Are we looking at pre 1970's rosters of 100 plus players and county's in Nebraska offering compensation to players who attend NU for putting their picture on FFA calendar?

    I am not complaiying or even singling out NU or agge but it seems to me NIL money will affect players preferences, recruiting limits, and maybe even Title 9. If NIL pays everyone on the baseball team will women's teams that lose money be axed?
     
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  2. n64ra

    n64ra 1,000+ Posts

    Won't the great kids want to go to the place that offers both the scholarship and the NIL money?

    I'm curious to see a lawsuit that says it's discriminatory to limit a player to 4 years of eligibility. Imagine someone who's making bank in college, doesn't have a pro life (or tried the NFL and failed), and wants to stay/come back to make money in college. NCAA says no so sue them for lost wages. Then BAM - college players for life.
     
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  3. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    I don't know...but I think the NIL combined with the open portal spells a world of trouble...and there will be problems aplenty.
     
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  4. NRHorn

    NRHorn 2,500+ Posts

    My prediction is Aggie will feel this soon.
    Great job stacking a class, but only 4 DL are in the field whilst the other 5 who are “ taking their talents to ATM for next next 3 years” face the fact of playing sparingly in years 1 and 2… so they go to a school that has the need.
    I hope the NCAA sets some standards. Like
    - if you have the same position coach that signed you
    - you played x snaps as a freshman
    and
    - you took Nil money over 5k- give it back with interest payments.

    You can transfer- but you must grow and display a porn star mustache in public from the day you enter the portal until you play at least one snap with the team you transferred to.
    On second thought, disregard my proposal as this would have no impact on Cameron Rising or 58% of SEC rosters.
     
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  5. n64ra

    n64ra 1,000+ Posts

    Also, what stops someone from changing schools mid-season? The NCAA. Sophomore Billy is making 80k at Tech and doing well so boosters at OU offer Billy 150k. He doesn't want to wait so why not leave in late October? Sue the NCAA again! They'll need a players union and collective bargaining agreement before too long.
     
  6. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    Right and there is nothing magical about the two semester and summer school system. Schools that teach one class every 3 weeks could take advantage of new enrollment every three weeks. Yikes!
     
  7. Horns11

    Horns11 10,000+ Posts

    I think the main thing that "protects" the system at its most basic level is that the NIL money isn't coming from the school. I know that sounds counterintuitive, and the schools are definitely involved in the process of selling the idea of NIL to the athletes. But the core of all of this are corporations and individuals who wish to use the NIL of an athlete to make a buck. At that point, it's really no different than a CompSci kid getting hired by a tech company while staying enrolled because he's good at coding. And the university need not concern itself with the who's, what's, and where's of that $$$.

    Everything related to your 2nd paragraph (recruiting limits, Title IX, etc.) can still be enforced by the NCAA and the universities. If anything, it gives their compliance departments a big sigh of relief because they don't have to worry about who's doing what to whom with cash. At the campus level, a big school that procures a ton of $$$ for the baseball team but not the softball team might sound ******, but that money is going to the players' pockets, not for budgeting, supplies, equipment, exposure, etc. All that stuff is still the purview of the athletics department. And if the department sucks at its job, well, that's no different than the status quo.
     
  8. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    Nah...no problems...but, son, I can see you are troubled...do me a favor and go get that envelope out of that car over there, will ya...

    (a few minutes pass)

    Just hang on to that while I take this call...[answers call]...damn, son...I got to run.

    (hollers over the shoulder)

    Just keep that envelope...I don't need it...we'll see you on campus next semester.
     
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  9. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    mb,

    The old tactic was to go to a basketball game. "Son my bad knees from my playing days are acting up. I sure would like a Coke. Would you run down there and get me one?" as he hands him a $100 bill. Twenty minutes later, "Son, I should have asked you to get me a hotdog. Take this (Another $100 bill). After 2-3 days of playing "waiter", the kid is starting to understand the game and goes home with a few thousand dollars.

    Michigan State paid for a new Mustang GT for a kid from Beaumont that way. Recruit paid Joe Bob Kinsel cash for that car, and the story came directly from the recruit to me.
     
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  10. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    I am shocked to hear that young people would let themselves be corrupted at such cheap prices at such an early age. Hopefully the NIL that the journalists/urinalists have been promoting for decades will guarantee that justice be done and the poor exploited athletes will not have to be satisfied with nothing more than a few years adulation on campus and a good education (if they want it)

    I got my payment orders from the foundation today and for the 38th year in a row I will cough up the dough so I can enjoy watching my school's athletes slay the evil beasts from the other schools.

    This morning I read an interesting article about how the honor code at West Point got destroyed as a sop to the student athletes. No doubt Sabrehorn, my favorite poster hereabouts, could write a few volumes of great stories about the shenanigans which have occurred as a result of the thrill of athletic competition and will to win.
     
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  11. Driver 8

    Driver 8 Amor Fati

    Or at least watch them give it the old college try, amirite?
     
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  12. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    No. In NIL these guys are pretending like they are trying to make a buck, but the truth is they don't give a crap if the athlete's NIL proves to successfully drive sales and profitability.

    I hope this NIL stuff settles down to be how you described it, but for the time being it is simply who can throw the most money at some coveted high school kids.
     
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  13. RainH2burntO

    RainH2burntO 2,500+ Posts

    My biggest issue with it all is I have 0 faith the NCAA or NIL or any other acronym/initialism will do anything at all to regulate this effectively. If you want a free for all cash drive you should just say it, make it "legal, and let 'er rip...without the pretense of a "NIL deal"
    There is no way they can or will police, enforce against, or properly punish over-reach/violation...and what would even constitute a violation seems quite murky.
     
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  14. beijinghorn1

    beijinghorn1 500+ Posts

    For what it is worth, seen at least one organization is claiming student athletes are actually employees of the schools (read article and by definition of employee, it seemed as if they are empolyees), so things could change very quickly if they are deemed as employees and then who knows what will happen. Apparently there have been several lawsuits in this regard since around 2015 (Northwestern football got the ball started it seems). Anyway, it seems just a matter of time before they are considered employees. Perhaps this will be the end of college football.
     
  15. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    They should be employees of the llc Pizza joint. then it will be real.
     
  16. NRHorn

    NRHorn 2,500+ Posts

    Athletes should quit now while they are ahead.
     
  17. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers 1,000+ Posts

    Gonna be a hoot when, like most musicians, the jock's money all gets stolen from them by various hangers-on, family members, and of course, crooked managers / accountants, who don't even bother paying taxes on the NIL money before they steal it all.

    Some 20 year old defensive lineman is gonna find himself broke, and 100 grand in debt to the IRS. Move over Wille - it's the Tacklin' for the IRS Tour!
     
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  18. MajorRules00

    MajorRules00 500+ Posts

    IMO if there is any regulation, it will rest at the conference level.
     
  19. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    I know I predicted that this would only legalize what was already happening. The boosters were always going to exploit any loophole and this one is like shooting fish in a barrel. It was obvious.

    I think the players have to be paid. You can't go back in time now.

    Maybe what needs to happen is strongly regulate the transfer portal situation instead. Make the payments a contractual agreement. You take the money you stay at the school no matter what. Or if you transfer then it's back to the old days; one year loss of eligibility.
     
  20. BLucky

    BLucky 250+ Posts

    It will be interesting to watch what happens with NIL money that is unregulated. Once some people get burned, they may be hesitant to put those dollars back out again. On some level, I think there will be some self-regulation.
     
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  21. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers 1,000+ Posts

    True. One some business owner pays a player big $$$ to come to his alma matter, only to see him flunk out or be a dud, they will be much less likely to plunk down the bucks for the next one.

    I'm curious to see what the Title 9 implications are, if the only players making bucks are dudes on the football and basketball teams. None from a legal standpoint, as it's not the schools paying the players, but when did that ever stop the outrage and sit in crowd?

    "Why are you paying men thousands of dollars while our girls don't get anything?!?!?! Unfair!!!! Why you hate our girls?" will the the questions asked, and change demanded.
     
  22. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    IF Title IX rears its ugly head, it will either be shut down in fifteen minutes or kill NIL in the next hour. If the latter occurs, we can go back to less expensive and more fun old ways of cheating.
     
  23. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers 1,000+ Posts

    Look, anytime someone can make money by complaining, they will. All various grifters need to do is have a media love fest where they have some crying gal from the rowing team, talking about how she has to sell plasma to survive, all while various football players are making 100 grand a year to appear in a car dealer's twitter post.

    The bucks will come rolling in.
     
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