“Soon, you will know.”

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by zork, Apr 21, 2009.

  1. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts


     
  2. Lancehorn

    Lancehorn 250+ Posts

    Shhh!

    Don't use facts and logic to promote your point of view on this board unless it conveniently promotes the other opinion.
     
  3. rickysrun

    rickysrun 2,500+ Posts

    oh thank god
     
  4. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    rickysrun, Do you live in LA?
     
  5. rickysrun

    rickysrun 2,500+ Posts

    yes, in the building they were planning on hitting, and I think on the floor they were targeting!!
     
  6. mojo17

    mojo17 1,000+ Posts

    Pretty funny, I bet the famalies of the 911 victims would roll on the floor.
     
  7. YoLaDu

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  8. rickysrun

    rickysrun 2,500+ Posts

    I bet the families of 911 would be rolling on the floor laughing their asses off just readin the posts on this board.
     
  9. Fried JJ Pickles

    Fried JJ Pickles 1,000+ Posts

    Anyone who believes the ends justify the means when the means involve destruction of our constitution is a bigger threat to our country than any terrorist could ever be.
     
  10. mojo17

    mojo17 1,000+ Posts

    Yea right, threat to our new socialist America.
     
  11. YoLaDu

    YoLaDu Guest

    mojo, stay on point.

    your irrational fear of socialist America doesn't need to be injected into this argument.
     
  12. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    waterboarding isn't torture.
     
  13. Lancehorn

    Lancehorn 250+ Posts

    Yes, the end justifies the means if it saves thousands of innocent American lives.
     
  14. 4th&5

    4th&5 1,000+ Posts

  15. AustinBat

    AustinBat 2,500+ Posts


     
  16. YoLaDu

    YoLaDu Guest


     
  17. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts


     
  18. LonghornCougar

    LonghornCougar 1,000+ Posts

    Wait, is this the same CIA that had intelligence about those nuclear weapons in Iraq? Or is this a different one?


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  19. groverat

    groverat 2,500+ Posts

    Anecdotal evidence does little but create a selection bias.

    Torture should not be used, not merely because it is a violation of our ideals as Americans, but because it is not the best way to get information out of suspects. It is unreliable, even if it was not cruel and unusual.
     
  20. YoLaDu

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  21. LonghornCougar

    LonghornCougar 1,000+ Posts


     
  22. the Saint

    the Saint 500+ Posts

    American servicemen and women beat, tortured, maimed, humiliated, neglected and murdered detainees. There's not even a guarantee the information gleaned from torture is any more accurate. In at least one case, the bad information we had about Iraq was because of torture: an al Qaeda operative sent to Cairo and tortured became a source of false "evidence" cited by Bush administration officials that Iraq was training members of al Qaeda in the use of explosives, poisons and gases. (NY Times, 12/9/2005; cited in S. Miles, "Oath Betrayed," 2006, which has other examples of harm caused by false information generated by torture.)

    Ironically, I believe George Tenet's book points out the best and most reliable information we received in the aftermath of 9/11 came as a result of providing medical attention for a family member of a captive, in exchange for the information.
     
  23. YoLaDu

    YoLaDu Guest

    What i find most disheartening is that people are justifying the use of waterboarding

    Let's review moments in history where waterboarding was used. I guess some might like the company we are keeping, but i don't.

    Spanish Inquisition
    Khmer Rouge
    The Pinochet era in Chile
    The Japanese and the Gestapo in WWII
     
  24. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    OK, the CIA is lying. nevermind. Oh, wait. What if they weren't lying? What if KSM fessed up with actionable intelligence about an impending attack like the CIA claims?

    An impending attack that was foiled, that led to the capture of 17 men who would likely have killed thousands.

    The government is using it very selectively, not indiscriminantly at all. He implied there would be an attack. “Soon, you will know.” The government should protect the greater good.
     
  25. Oilfield

    Oilfield Guest

    Look, if the Clinton administration had not neutered our entire intelligence apparatus none of this would have been necessary.
     
  26. the Saint

    the Saint 500+ Posts

    After 8 years of one disaster after the next, we know that Oilfield likes to point fingers and lay the blame anywhere but where it should actually reside. He should ask himself why Obama won the election, and he doesn't have to fight the truth. Someone needs to tell him that Clinton hasn't been President for nearly a decade.
     
  27. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

    Spanish Inquisition
    Khmer Rouge
    The Pinochet era in Chile
    The Japanese and the Gestapo in WWII
    ______________________________________________

    really? you want to compare us to them...give me a break
     
  28. LonghornCougar

    LonghornCougar 1,000+ Posts

    general, McCain sure think so. I posted this in another thread, but it seems relevant over here too.McCain




    In reply to:
    "There should be little doubt from American history that we consider that as torture otherwise we wouldn't have tried and convicted Japanese for doing that same thing to Americans
    ," McCain said during a news conference.

    In reply to:
    "I would also hope that he would not want to be associated with a technique which was invented in the Spanish Inquisition, was used by Pol Pot in one of the great eras of genocide in history and is being used on Burmese monks as we speak
    ," the Arizona senator said. "America is a better nation than that."
     
  29. 4th&5

    4th&5 1,000+ Posts

    John McCain is such a tool. Using that assclown's opinion in an arguement with a true conservative is laughable.
     
  30. YoLaDu

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