Texas Rising

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  1. NBHorn7

    NBHorn7 Pimp Daddy

    I am really looking forward to this, of course I'm a Texas history buff. I will be interested the take, this program has on the events that transpired, during the war for Texas Independence. It seems that every show has a different one.

    Got to love Texas history, those heroes made us, who we are and what Texas became.

    I like the music video, with Kris Kristofferson's remake of the Tom Petty song, "I Won't Back Down."

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  2. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan 10,000+ Posts

    I too am looking forward to this program. I am going to insist my sons watch it too.:texasflag:
     
  3. NBHorn7

    NBHorn7 Pimp Daddy

    It was certainly a gritty first episode, with executions at the fallen Alamo. I guess there is no profanity censor, I thought I was watching HBO. Maybe you can get away with more, if you say it's historical.

    I like it so far, hard to tell about the accuracy of some of this. So many takes and renditions of how events really went. The scene where Juan Seguin says one side is as bad as the other, for his people, was interesting. Then he was asked who he trusted more, Santa Anna or Houston, he didn't answer.

    Seguin hated Santa Anna for repealing the Constitution of 1824, he later joined Travis, at the Alamo and fought in the battle. Then before it fell, he was sent to tell Houston, what was going on there. So at the time of him serving under Houston, that was a strange scene.

    Later it was a different story, he was elected as a Senator, for the Republic of Texas. After San Antonio was overrun by Mexican troops, many of the settlers, most newly arrived from the United States, accused him of helping the Mexicans. So he finally left Texas and went to Mexico. He was arrested and made to join the Mexican army, as an officer. He even helped lead another attack on San Antonio.

    Later after Texas became part or the United States, he served under Santa Anna, in the Mexican-American War. After that, he returned to Texas, where his heart always was and was elected a county judge.

    Then he moved back to Mexico, to be near his son, who was a mayor. He died there, but as part of the Texas Bicentennial celebration, his remains were returned to Texas and he was buried in Seguin.

    He really got around and was conflicted.
     
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  4. MudHorn

    MudHorn Admin Moderator

    Very interesting bit of history @NBHorn7.
     
  5. TheWalkingHorn

    TheWalkingHorn 500+ Posts

    According to the show I have been pronouncing Karankawa wrong my entire life! And so did all of my teachers!
     
  6. Texanne

    Texanne 5,000+ Posts

    I have trouble with this series. They've got Nacogdoches looking like West Texas. That ain't right.
     
  7. NBHorn7

    NBHorn7 Pimp Daddy

    Well being filmed entirely on location is Durango, Mexico, could have something to do with that. There's not a lot of mesquite in East Texas.

    They do play a little loose with the facts, as I referenced above, this article explains a lot. Being one of those "history nerds," I take some exception, when "liberties," are taken with the story of Texas Independence.

    I guess they have to make it more entertaining, for the rest of the viewers.

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  8. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 1,000+ Posts

    According to this writer, they are taking a lot of dramatic license. (probably lots of historical ignorance, too)

    http://www.mystatesman.com/news/new...daypass_post-purchase#d7a7f421.3984436.735745

    I guess one shouldn’t expect much from the network of “Monster Quest,” “Swamp People” and “Ancient Aliens.” But this is Texas. Our history, like our football, is a religion. Maybe someone from Vermont wouldn’t notice if the History Channel missed the mark, but here, we’re indoctrinated in seventh grade with the glorious story of the Texas Revolution — and we know.

    That’s not to say that the seventh grade version is perfect. Tejano patriots were — when I took it in the 1980s — grievously underrepresented. But even in that politically incorrect era, we knew that there were more than two of them in the whole Texas Army. That’s better than History’s version.

    The main problem with the show is that the producers thought “Texas” and decided it must be a Western. But this was the 1830s, not the 1870s. There were no saloons with glass windows; Texans of the time lived in log cabins. The Indians mostly didn’t have a play in the Texas Revolution, but here are the Karankawas — coastal natives who rode canoes, not ponies — in all of the stereotypical plains Indian glory, buffalo horns and all.
     
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  9. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    I was intrigued by the idea of the series, but it didn't take 10 minutes to get over it. The subplots were boring, the dialogue uninteresting and the scenery seemed like it was from about 300 miles west of where the events transpired.

    Now when Texas Rangers and the Comanches fight, I think the scenery will work. However, I won't be watching unless its during a channel surf.
     
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  10. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan 10,000+ Posts

    I've held back being critical of this series because I wanted it to be good and I wanted to like it. But I largely agree with Crockett's view on this series.

    I will finish watching it, but I was disappointed from early on.
     
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  11. BurntOrangeOnly

    BurntOrangeOnly 500+ Posts

    Snipped for brevity but that was a fine post. As foul as I find the series, it generated interesting conversation (on the Internet no less) so there's some value to it I guess.
     
  12. CedarParkFan

    CedarParkFan 1,000+ Posts

    I hate historical inaccuracies. Hell, I was pissed when the latest Alamo movie filmed the San Jacinto scenes in Bastrop, complete with the Lost Pines. Anyway, I've DVRed the series and haven't been able to watch it yet. Just wrapped up 20 years of teaching it today! Now I'll have time. But, based upon what I've read, I don't expect t much.
     
  13. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan 10,000+ Posts

    Congratulations on your retirement from teaching Texas history!
     
  14. NBHorn7

    NBHorn7 Pimp Daddy

    They have completely lost me now, with that version of the "Battle of San Jacinto." They have the two sides exchanging cannon fire, then Santa Anna gesturing across the field to Houston.

    In the battle it's Santa Anna, that shoots Houston in the ankle, uh no. I seriously doubt he fired a shot at anybody, in the battle.
     
  15. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Hey at least they didn't have Sam Houston and Santa Anna in a sabre fight in the middle of the battle. So it could have been worse, I guess...
     
  16. CedarParkFan

    CedarParkFan 1,000+ Posts

    Thanks, but not retired just yet. Just that 20 year milestone thing.
     
  17. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    Unless you count the, uh, different type of shot load he might have released while being distracted from actually running the army.....
     

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