The Border/Illegal Immigration?

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  1. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

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  2. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Humane and legal immigration reform for legal Americans would be a complete halt to ALL getting into our country for now.
    Cornyn will be not be relected. Too bad the POS has several more years befors he can be booted out
     
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  3. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Cornyn should primaried asap. He has gone to the dark side.
     
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  4. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Mona
    He WILL be primaried. He won in 2020 .Next election 2026
    He will be ousted. But will probably retire. Coward
     
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  5. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    I see the term: "safe, orderly, humane and legal' immigration." What does that mean? I don't believe it means sneaking across the border into the US at night lead by a Coyote. South of Tucson, near the border that is remote, the Border Patrol recruits people to ride, on horseback, in the desert, not so much looking for people crossing, but for the dead bodies of those illegals who crossed by themselves (usually alone) without sufficient rations, particularly water, or a plan of somesort. The Border Patrol has found bodies of folks who died of gunshot wounds; however, most were nothing but dried up skin and bones or sometimes just the bones. Usually there is no way to tell how they died and most are listed as "Died of Exposure" or "Lack of Water". Also, out here, if someone comes on your property, particularly at night, and you don't know them or did not invite them, the land owner has the right shoot them. Got to check that last part out for validity though, sounds a little too good to be true.
     
  6. Facing Addiction

    Facing Addiction 1,000+ Posts

    Karine Jean-Pierre roasted for claiming illegal immigration is down 90%: 'These people think we're stupid' (msn.com)

    "In the meantime, he has tools that he's used to make sure we do this. We actually deal with the immigration system in a humane way, in a way that actually deals with what we're seeing at the border. And that's why you've seen the parolee program be so successful. When it comes to illegal immigration, you've seen it come down by more than 90%. And that's because of this, the actions that this president has taken," Jean-Pierre said.
     
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  7. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    She knows the media will never call BS on her.
     
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  8. mchammer

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    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

     
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  10. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    ? Maybe it would get to that point but the way E verify is structured now the Employer after having made an offer of employment can submit the employee's name and SSN to get it "verified". It is not now required
    Not perfect
    Requiring every Employer to e verify every employee would for sure cut down in illegal's fraud
    Allowing an employer to verify an applicant's status would be even better
     
  11. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    I just got back from Belize Sunday. Why in the heck do I have to show the federal government a passport while millions are walking across the border from Central America?
     
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  12. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    There is a major problem with "e verify". The Democrats don't want it, and neither do the Republicans. I was taken aside in DC and told I was beating my head against a brick wall and all I was going to get was a bloody nose. We had an ID program that could not be defrauded. I was told by both sides that our system would eliminate BILLIONS of dollars in social security payments and billions more in withholding taxes from people that would NEVER receive any benefits. The government wasn't willing to give up that money in the name of "fraud".

    Secondly, talk to any DPS officer along Hwy 73. Every pickup they pull over will have multiple illegals commuting daily from east Houston to Port Arthur to work construction. 20-30 illegals with the same SS number, which is their only ID. No one has a TDL or insurance. Driver is arrested, passengers left on side of the road, vehicle towed. Trooper then has to spend 2-3 days doing government paper work.
     
  13. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

     
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  14. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

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  15. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    this is BS. E-Verify does not need to be draconian to be effective. it does not need to be 100% foolproof to be effective. It does need to penalize the employers who don't do reasonable due diligence to confirm identity validity.

    the other comment about politicians not wanting to give up the SSI input streams seems believable to me. SSI is a ponzi scheme as it is. If you took out some of illegals inputs then the ponzi scheme would topple even quicker.
     
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  16. mchammer

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  17. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    sending the buses of migrants to "sanctuary cities" was a very good move and we need to double up on this. It forces those pol's to have to weigh in. And for them, there is no good way out. The only liberal-sanctioned response is "send me more" but that doesn't mesh with reality very well.

    Send them more.
     
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  18. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Thousands and thousands more, every month.
     
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  19. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

  20. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Mayorkas Heads To Border To Fire Starter Pistol When Title 42 Expires
    the Bee
     
  21. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    I asked yet another BP guy yesterday why they don’t bust employers. Same old answer. Orders from above not to. Those were the same orders under Clinton and W and Obama and Trump

    Republicans want cheap easy to manipulate labor and Dems want millions more voters when they become citizens

    get used to it
     
  22. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Huis
    So it is the Border Patrol who would investigate an employer who was required to use E Verify? How would the BP know an employer had hired someone without Everifying?
     
  23. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    How do they know the employee is illegal? Lots of ways actually. Same with the people who employ them. If a motel cleaning staff is Guatemalan you could ask the staff who got them their phony ids. Or check the motels records to see if they were being paid under the table or social security was being handled legitimately

    bust an owner of a name brand hotel chain and watch how quickly the franchisor reacts and the franchisees fall into line.
    I have watched the fed constabulary work immigration and drug and porn cases up close for ten years. Those guys are amazing in terms of what they can turn up if turned loose. Which is why they have been kept on tight leashes

    bust a few employers and watch the others scurry to either buy machines to do it with Americans or legals

    Trump tapped the brakes. He had promised to slam on them. All talk and little action. Better than the current dementia ridden jerk but mostly just more hot air

    I once asked BP agent under oath what portion of aliens they caught. About a fourth of them

    take away the cheese and the mice stay in their holes. American employers put the cheese out
     
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  24. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    That is not what I asked.
    You said BP said they were told not NOT pursue employers who did not use e verifiy even if they were required to use E verify
    I ask again HOW was Border Patrol l looking into employers who who supposed to use E verify but didn't.
    Can you provide a link showing it is Border Patrol's responsibilty to monitor E Verify?
     
  25. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

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  26. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    Go back and read my post. I did not even mention e verify. I ask BP agents why they don’t go after employers. They have all told me they are told not to. One of them told me that yesterday morning

    they also say there are more getting in than they are catching

    friends who own ranches in south Texas say the deluge continued during the Trump crackdown. These ranchers are uniformly Republican

    ask any body who hunts in south Texas and they will say the same

    I am not singling out Trump. Nothing so far has significantly stemmed the deluge. Prosecuting employers would
     
  27. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Government is lazy. How difficult is it to "verify" 47 employees using the same social security number?

    Those of us old enough to have watched the complete downfall of Marriott & Hilton understand that the problem lies more with the "franchisees" than the employees. Then get some REAL people to audit the franchisee's books to track how much of the maid's $10-12/hour goes to the maid and how much is kept by the franchisee.

    Marriott & Hilton ain't the companies that Bill & Conrad created.
     
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  28. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Huis.What specifically are Border Patrol agents are supposed to go after?
    Can you site specially what BP agents are investigating.
     
  29. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    My understanding is that ICE is generally responsible for going after employers who hire illegal immigrants. Of course, 99 percent of the time, they don't do ****, but I'm pretty sure it is officially their job, not Border Patrol's.
     
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