The First 100 days

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by theiioftx, Nov 10, 2016.

  1. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 1,000+ Posts

    I don't want it replaced. Just repeal and let things go back the way they were. It wasn't perfect, but it beat the shiite out of what we have now.
     
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  2. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    ????
     
  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Jurisdiction
     
  4. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    What about it?
     
  5. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    Alibaba is one of China's most valuable companies and has ~36k employees. To take the claim seriously you'd have to believe that eBay, Etsy and Amazon have been the biggest job generators in the US in the last 15 years. Oh...the Midwest claim was also paired with a statement that Alibaba wanted to expand sales for US produced "garments, wine and fruit". Someone needs to evaluate where in the US those items are produced.

    I don't have a problem with Alibaba. Greater access into Chinese markets is necessary for US businesses. The claim of 1M jobs within 5yrs is bogus though and should be called out as such.
     
  6. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    This is applicable to a small subset of Obamacare critics.


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  7. I35

    I35 2,500+ Posts

    I agree with this. I can't see what can be replaced that would make it better than it was before. Before wasn't perfect but it was a reasonable cost that was actually very good insurances. Just repeal it only and allow it back to what it was. Libs will respond that many will be without insurance. Many still are without insurance and many are because they chose to pay the penalty while I'm paying $1,500 a month. That's a $1,000 more I'm paying a month than before Obamacare. I'm not even talking about how crappy the policy is that I got now. This is the worst legislation ever. That $1500 a month gets me nothing but a smaller bank account. We're just paying super high premiums for nothing. Sky rocket deductible.
     
  8. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 500+ Posts

    We need to move to a system where insurance is offered more as a individually purchased item and not a employment incentive. It would be better for individuals to have an insurance that doesn't get disrupted when they change jobs and better for employers to get rid of this onerous aspect of running a business. If I own a construction business, the last thing I want to be is an expert in health insurance.

    Come up with a system that makes it more affordable to purchase insurance on your own. Require insurance companies to package insurance like the bond market. 5 levels of coverage(AA, A BB, B, C). consumer decides which is appropriate for them.

    The only variables insurance companies can take into account are Age, and controllable risk factors (weight, smoking, drinking, fitness level).

    I like some of the provisions of ACA. Non-refusal of pre-existing, carry your kids til 25??.
     
  9. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    It's 26 but whose quibbling. I think those are the 2 primary benefits that resulted in the ACA. That allowed 11 million more people to be ensured. Getting those young people on insurance was critical to offsetting the "pre-existing conditions" customers who are money losers in any situation. Essentially, we are all subsidizing them.
     
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  10. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 500+ Posts

    This is what we should do as well. There is nothing wrong with immigration, or immigrants but it must be done so that our country stays safe and stays ours.
    http://www.oann.com/french-presidential-candidate-fillon-to-propose-immigration-quotas/

    Immigration should be predicated on our need and our capacity to absorb. It should also require assimilation to our culture prior to granting citizenship. (speak English at third grade level, write at 1st grade level) or something along those lines. watch a little college football and DWTS.

    If we have full employment and wage growth, then increase the flow of immigrants. If wages are stagnant or unemployment high, then curtail immigration. Put this on a rolling 3-5 year average so all the concerned entities can forecast it a bit.
     
  11. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 500+ Posts

    honestly, I'm theoretically cool with subsidizing people that just had crap luck and happened to be born with a health challenge. I say theoretically because I really have no concept of how much I'm subsidizing them. I might feel differently if I realized/believed my premium was going to be $25,000 per year instead of $6,000.

    I would hold them accountable for maintaining their insurance consistently. If they opt out in 2014 and then want back in for 2017 then there should be a waiting period or penalty premium to buy back in. but if they just want to change carriers due to doctors available, moving cities, etc... I think they should be able to without losing coverage if they've maintained coverage continuity.
     
  12. theiioftx

    theiioftx 2,500+ Posts

    True, but can also be applied to those who support it. Most people do not realize that ObamaCare and ACA are not even the real names. Say "PPACA" to most Americans, and you will get a dumbfounded look.
     
  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Is #DontMakeAmericanGreatAgain going to be a winner for Dems?

    My sources say no.


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  14. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 1,000+ Posts

    I agree with this, but not for the reasons you state. I said this back when Obamacare was first proposed: If I could wave a wand and make a change, I would make it illegal for employers to offer health insurance, they would be required to put that money into their employees paycheck, or perhaps at least offer that option. People who receive their insurance thru their employer have no idea what health care really costs, so there is no shopping for a better deal. It's "free" to them, so they want as much as they can get. This is also true for anyone getting their insurance thru the government, aka, free health care. We need MORE market forces at play in the insurance bidness, not less. The end game for Dems, single payer, is going in exactly the wrong direction, IMO.
     
  15. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Short big pharma?
    Better hurry

    (Trump just took a swipe at them)
     
  16. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    LOL

    were you quick enough?

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  17. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  18. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    A few problems with this. First, a straight repeal wouldn't necessarily put the system back where it was. Insurers and providers have made financial and practical decisions based on the assumption of the ACA being the law for the foreseeable future. I doubt they can change them like flipping a switch.

    Second, the pre-ACA system was never as bad as the Left claimed it was, but it wasn't good. Many were left SOL, and it was very expensive. There's a reason why there was broad support for major healthcare reform in the first place.

    The root problem is that we're trying to inject social goals into what's ultimately an economic commodity. I'm not saying those social goals are all bad, but they're in stark conflict with the economic goals of efficiency and price stability. For example, we want everybody to get the care they need - obviously a good social goal. However, very few people have the money to pay out of pocket for unlimited care (or even a lot of care), and that means encouraging the use of third party payers (private insurance and government) who seemingly have unlimited resources and can therefore secure whatever care the patient needs. Well, that's going to undermine efficiency and massively distort and inflate pricing.
     
  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Last edited: Jan 11, 2017
  20. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  21. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Trump basically told CNN they can go f themselves



     
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  22. nashhorn

    nashhorn 1,000+ Posts

    It is going to be 4 yrs for the ages. And uh oh on my pharma stocks, darn.
     
  23. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    sorry for LOLng
     
  24. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    I think a Trump Presidency would be very entertaining and great if it was on TV or in a movie.
     
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  25. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    They wanted a press conference, and they got one

    The CNN hack was actually SCREAMING at Trump
    Can you imagine any reporter ever treating Obama like this? Ever


     
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  26. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts


    Disagree. The actual US media in real life has been in need of pushback from Reps for way too long.
     
  27. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    The shoving around of the media isn't my primary complaint about Trump. They are getting what they deserve.
     
  28. nashhorn

    nashhorn 1,000+ Posts

    Oh it will be, but I get your point. 100 years from now it may be a display in Wrigley's Believe it or Not. And this is without editorial critique.
     
  29. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    This gets to the primary issue with all this stuff
    They seek to de-legitimize the election
    They all have their different reasons
    -- Obama cares about his legacy
    -- Hillary had her reasons
    -- The media has theirs
    -- Whoever and whatever, the bottom line is that collectively, they want to undermine Trump's ability to make changes and get things done

     
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  30. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    He is going to take it out of their hands
    Just live broadcast his statements/communications over all the various means now available
    It's time for that
    Communicate directly instead of letting CNN, et al., first run its through their corrupted prism
     

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