The First 100 days

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by theiioftx, Nov 10, 2016.

  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Yes, you guys as a group had little objection to the Clintons selling access to Hillary as SoS. And you were happy when Comey said he would nonbill her, but angry when he re-opened it. It was all pretty transparent.
     
  2. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 500+ Posts

    The clamor about the Russia incident is not about raising alarm regarding the hacking and intelligence gathering per se but rather the INFLUENCE OPERATIONS that were conducted with said information. This is a specific skillset and functional area in the US Army. It is considered an element of conflict and war. War, at its most essential is an act of trying to INFLUENCE an opponent to comply with your wishes/goals. When the Russians went from passive collection to active utilization (INFLUENCE OPERATIONS) of said intelligence, they crossed a line that policy makers have spent the last two decades trying to firmly define. Policy makers are not trying to define whether it is an act of aggression but rather, does this type of aggression warrant physical response or escalation of response. We have also been very concerned about bleed over to other entities and this has caused a lot debate about how strongly we should respond to an act of aggression like this. No one in the DoD/military is confused as to whether this constitutes aggression, they have simply been debating how to adequately weigh and respond.

    To boil it down to "everybody does it", is false and missing the point entirely.
     
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  3. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    All of that is true then he stopped 165 days ago until now and became not just like other politicians but worse. Kudos to Trump for his openness as a primary candidate. Next! Now I'll hold him accountable as POTUS.
     
  4. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    You do not understand the complexities involved. You are taking a simplistic view of things
     
  5. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Look, we get it. You guys are unhappy with the results of the election.
    And you will remain unhappy about it.
    The rest of us are ready to move forward
     
  6. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    Really? Please point out the posts. I remember NJLonghorn defending that the Clinton Foundation had a positive impact which I don't think is debatable.

    You're confusing the email scandal with the Clinton Foundation.
     
  7. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Yes and no
     
  8. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    That's a justification for "it would be impossible to find an institutional trustee that would be competent to run the Trump organization" (exact quote)? It's simply too complex for anyone to understand? That's the reason for the thin wall between Trump and his businesses? That's patently absurd.
     
  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I replied to that guy with the numbers taken from their filed Foundation tax returns (which they were forced to amend because they omitted all the foreign donations!). Which basically destroyed his tightly-held beliefs about the Foundation. Whereupon he disappeared himself for a couple weeks.

    ex1 - their use of CF funds for luxury travel
    ex2 -- their use of CF funds for Chelsea's wedding crap
    ex3 - their use of CF funds for "overhead" (as I recall this was over half of all expenses, including grants -- maybe I got this wrong, but the number was shockingly high)
     
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  10. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    Move forward because it's too difficult to explain/justify the actions? I'd want to simply move on too if I was trying to justify Trump's actions too.
     
  11. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Yes. Branding, to pick one thing, is obviously a key to the Organization.
    Who else in the world could manage that?
    No one.
    The only people who can come close are the children
     
  12. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Because the election is over
     
  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Again, the election has ended
    He and they had a lot of work to do
    Which they have been doing
    Which will become obvious to everyone over the next 3-4 weeks
    By which time, you will have moved onto some other complaint

    In addition, i think Trump has already changed this relationship (WH and press)
    And will continue to change it as time goes by
     
  14. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    have to leave now ......
     
  15. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    Nobody can manage branding or licensing of a brand? The list of what Trump does 'best' has no ends does it? I'm surprised that "Trump" doesn't appear on Forbes' list of top 100 most valuable brands. Clearly, they must be in the anti-Trump brigade too.
     
  16. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    Conflict of interest is a current issue and not going away just because Trump and his supporters wish it to go away.
     
  17. I35

    I35 2,500+ Posts

    At this point we're desperate for the change.

    Still 100% better than now. I've experienced the worst first hand two different times now. My premiums are draining my bank acct. I know this is a question that could take forever to post...... but what would you do if you were president to make it better? Because even if they get the cost down, the insurance policies suck worse than a 3rd world country.

    The Dems are just a drag on our country in every way possible. I will never understand their logic on anything.
     
  18. NJlonghorn

    NJlonghorn 1,000+ Posts

    Regarding ex1 and ex3 -- I have discussed this with you several times, and I didn't dodge anything. You did pull numbers out of the foundation tax return, but your analysis of those numbers was severely flawed and I explained why. The meat of the discussion occurred on pages 20 and 21 of this thread. The bottom line is that the foundation spent just 12% of its revenues on administration and fundraising, which is quite good for a charity. The rest of the money went to charitable contributions and program expenses. Yes, a large slice of the program expenses were for travel, but when your program's model is to provide training and support in foreign locations that are off the beaten track, travel expenses will be high. Very little of the travel was for the Clinton's themselves, btw.

    Regarding ex2 -- I don't remember you ever raising this issue, so I searched. You have posted the word "wedding" on Hornfans 8 times, none having anything to do with Chelsea's wedding. Link. Can you point me to where you raised this issue?
     
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  19. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    The Office of Government Ethics: Trumps plan to put his businesses in a trust that his sons run is "wholly inadequate".
     
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  20. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    Trump's plan to resolve his "conflict of interest" would be funny if it wasn't so ridiculous. He pointed to his sons just off the stage during the press conference when saying they would be running the business. To have his lawyer come to the podium a few minutes later say that Donald wouldn't hear about deals until he read it in the press assumes everyone listening was a fool. DJT said "they won't discuss it (the business) with me."
     
  21. nashhorn

    nashhorn 1,000+ Posts

    u

    By golly I think you're right on that. And no matter if true or not.
     
  22. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    We've not discovered what Omarosa's formal role is in the Trump administration. Designated media heckler.

     
  23. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

    Trump introduce this beauty of a quote in today's press conference in a response to the "intelligence dossier" that alleged Trump was a Russian FBS asset.

    [​IMG]
     
  24. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 5,000+ Posts

  25. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    I hate to admit this, but my dad has the same view. He doesn't buy into the Russian involvement, because he thinks Trump would obviously be tougher on every US enemy than Hillary, so he doesn't see any reason why Putin would want Trump to win. The idea that Trump's integrity could possibly have been compromised isn't even on the table for discussion. Personally, I don't assume that it has been, but to wonder if it has been isn't at all unreasonable in light of Russia's involvement and Trump's lax rhetroric on Russia.
     
  26. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez 5,000+ Posts

    Don't fall into the "it can't any worse" mentality. It can always get worse.

    I have no doubt that is has been a crappy deal for you, but the pre-ACA system was a crappy deal for some people too. For example, my brother who was a small business owner (and had insurance) was diagnosed with congestive heart failure at age 31. He couldn't do the work he normally did, and the business (which was previously pretty successful) folded, and he lost his insurance for a few months. Fortunately, he had the money to see his cardiologist and pay cash during that time, and his cardiologist was willing to give my brother his sample medications (which are very expensive) for free. He eventually found a good job and got insurance through his employer. But what if his cardiologist hadn't been so generous? What if he hadn't had the money to cover his doctor visits? He would have had to run to the ER every time he needed medicine or die. It really would have sucked to be him. Post-ACA, he could have gotten health insurance to cover his condition. Again, he ended up finding a job, so it ended up being a moot point, but it could have been pretty catastrophic, especially pre-ACA. I"m not posting that to bellyache about my brother. He's a tough guy, and he sucked it up, but the point is that the old system had definite losers through no fault of their own, and it's easy to lose sight of that if you weren't one of them.

    I'd allow insurance to be bought across state lines to enable more competition. I'd very, very strongly encourage the use of MSAs to reduce reliance on medical insurance. I'd allow full tax deductibility (even if you don't itemize) of contributions to the MSA. I'd give breaks to businesses that match contributions to the MSA. The more people who are effectively cash patients, the better. That would encourage people to become price-sensitive when seeking care, and by not making doctors have to file insurance paperwork with every single visit, they won't have to hire as many people, which will lower their administrative costs.

    For the poor and elderly, I would keep the Medicare and Medicaid programs. Dumping those would be a political impossibility anyway. However, I'd still encourage those patients to pay in cash to the extent that they can.
     
  27. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  28. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    That presser covered alot of ground, but seems like only 2 things getting covered (conflict of interest and Trump's gutting of CNN/Buzzfeed).....

    He also covered a wide range of issues and discussed real news including
    -- VA Sec. pick
    -- Repeal and replace
    -- his SCOTUS choice and the timeline
    -- Border wall financing
     
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  29. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Husker
    Why would Russia give an American law firm that award?
    I have never heard of the USA giving a law firm an award as law firm of the year
    Or any company as company of the year for that matter.
     
  30. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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