The First 100 days

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  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I am so old I can remember when comedians were funny

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  2. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    I am old enough to remember when threatening the President was a crime prosecuted by the justice department. Then again, I remember when the justice department was legitimate.
     
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  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Doing their part to get Trump re-elected

     
  4. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  5. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  6. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    [ SOCIALIST IDIOT ] You know that you have to work at least 2 of those jobs just to be counted as employed. So of course Trump needs to create a lot more jobs just to keep up with the great jobs that Obama created. [ / SOCIALIST IDIOT ]
     
  7. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Did you know she was an econ major?
    I've never seen an econ major so unable/unwilling to answer econ questions. My personal experience is that you cant shut these people up. They usually keep talking until you fall asleep and often just keep talking after that, to finish their point.
     
  8. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    I used to think people who obtained degrees in areas such as accounting, economics, science, math, law, and engineering had to be intelligent because understanding those subjects requires a degree of reasoning power. I've learned over the years that some idiots can get those degrees and not understand anything about their field of study. I don't know if it's due to dumbing down the fields or the prevalence of study groups where old files and one or two sharp individuals can get you through the course without learning anything.
     
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  9. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Did you know she had a university related blog where she discussed Adam Smith and the like? Sounded relatively intelligent based on what I heard on the Levine show. Maybe she can’t answer the question cause she knows there is no answer.
     
  10. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    She could have had help writing the blog. Even having a shallow understanding of economics and history, how could an intelligent person actually think socialism could work? Every group that has tried it, starting with the Pilgrims, has had major trouble feeding its people. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that socialism will fail if not propped up.
     
  11. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I have a degree in accounting and a degree in law. It took intelligence to get both but not of the same kind or extent. Math, science, engineering, and accounting are objective. It takes real reasoning power to study those. Law and economics have some objectivity, but they have a lot of subjectivity. A good BSer with sloppy reasoning can succeed in both if he has a decent with ethic.
     
  12. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    Economics major chiming in. Actually, you have a lot of outdated theories that have been shown to be wrong (mathematically and in practice) that a lot of people on the left continue to cling too. Admittedly, there is some subjectivity, but I literally have no idea how the "economics majors" can justify their leftist positions. At UT, at least, we actually did the math or learned the policy history showing those positions to be wrong. Most economics majors tend to be libertarian.

    Now in some of my other non-economics social science classes, they just flat taught incorrect economics in direct contradiction with any economics textbook. It was bizarre as a college student going from one economics class that would teach one thing on economics and the math/evidence backing it up, and a non economics liberal arts class teaching the exact opposite with nothing back it up. All I could think is "anyone that does not crossover to both classes is going to have no idea their peers are getting the same liberal arts degree and learning the exact opposite of thing about economics."
     
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  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    You know Bloomberg hated publishing this study --

    "The U.S. dethroned Hong Kong to retake first place among the world’s most competitive economies, thanks to faster economic growth and a supportive atmosphere for scientific and technological innovation, according to annual rankings by the Switzerland-based IMD World Competitiveness Center.
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    The renewed top ranking aligns with the positive U.S. growth narrative over the past year. Growth averaged 2.9 percent in the four quarters through March, versus 2 percent in the prior period...."

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ocialflow-facebook-business&utm_medium=social
     
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  14. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I didn't major in economics, but I had to take Macroeconomics. The class was probably too elementary to "do the math," though it did look at policy history on a very superficial level. Joseph Stiglitz wrote the textbook, and both it and the professor generally spouted Keynesian garbage as gospel and were very critical of free markets or any economics associated with the Right. It blamed the depression and the S&L crisis on a lack of regulation, credited most recoveries to big government spending, blamed the large deficits of the 1980s on tax cuts, etc. Basically it was a semester of Paul Krugman's talking points.
     
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  15. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    Liberals love to tell themselves fairy tales like "all those new jobs under Trump are because of Obama" or "the Reagan economy was setup by Jimmy Carter" but notice we never get those new jobs they set up until a Republican takes over. Another fairy tale - "socialism will totally work this time".
     
  16. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    I minored in economics. My macro prof was free market. Then again this was in late eighties and the Reagan revolution. My impression is that the LBJ school at UT tips the scale for the university to be Keynesian.
     
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  17. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    There's actually truth to the Carter case. Some major deregulation occurred under Carter, and it undoubtedly helped the economy and was a factor in the 1980s recovery. What's nutty about the Left is that they look at those facts, but then instead of following Carter's example and cutting regulations, they advocate doing the reverse.
     
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  18. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    Do you really believe any of that (Reagan economy) would have happened had JC won in 1980?
     
  19. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Any of it? Yes. Most ofo it? No. Deregulation almost always helps those who are deregulated, so there would have been some of a boost from that. Furthermore, Paul Volcker had already put into motion the monetary policy that would bring inflation under control, and that would also have helped.

    However, had Carter won, the tax relief wouldn't have happened, and that would have meant a much more tepid recovery - much like the current recovery before Trump won the election. In addition, we would have had a much weaker military and foreign policy, which would have meant a much more assertive and aggressive Soviet Union. The Cold War probably would have lasted another ten years.
     
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  20. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    Im sorry to hear that. I did not have a single economics professor at UT that was pro keynesian garbage. Like I said, I think they were all libertarians. Now, like I said above, the rest of the liberal arts department....

    I will also note that despite being in favor of limited government, my economics professors acknowledged human beings to be irrational actors and that anarchy does not work.
     
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  21. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts


    The State of Texas is back in court today, moving forward with its challenge of DACA. It had previously won a challenge to DAPA, but voluntarily suspended its DACA challenge for political reasons (at the time, Rs had confidence in Paul Ryan's ability to come through with something -- lol). If Texas wins, it will set up a split in the Circuits, which will expedite SCOTUS review.

    What are the chances of Texas winning this DACA lawsuit?
     
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  22. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  23. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    This is Trump's dumbest idea.
     
  24. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I actually like the space force. I cannot give any reasons why it is necessary or why it would not be a waste of money, but it seems fun! It would also be great for movies and tv shows.
     
  25. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    That's why it's dumb. I'm all for space-based military strategy and infrastructure of it serves a purpose, but there's no reason why the Air Force couldn't do this. We don't need a new bureaucracy to do it.
     
  26. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    The USAF already has space command. It is headquartered at Peterson AFB just outside of Colorado Springs. Trump wants to elevate this to a separate branch of the military.

    The idea is far from dumb.
     
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  27. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    What is the case for separating it from the Chair Force?
     
  28. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    I don't know. Purely speculating, I would suggest the case is built upon the notion that over the next decade or two space based warfare is going to become more important rather than less so, and thus the need to elevate from a command to a separate branch. I believe this largely mirrors the thinking that separated the Air Force from the Army just after WWII.

    Is it the right thing to do? I have no idea. Those decisions are way above my pay grade. But I will stand by the assertion that the idea is not dumb on its face. The only reason it has been portrayed as such is because the lazy assed media never bothered to report the story, preferring instead to turn it into a punch line for late night comedians to feed to a woefully uninformed electorate in places like, say, Seattle.
     
  29. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    There is a contingent of Trump supporters incapable of being critical of Trump. Exhibit A. This is coming from one of Hornfans most vocal critics of government bureaucracy. Many conservatives have lost their sanity.
     
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  30. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

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  31. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I agree that the media is turning it into a punchline, and this is an example of them not having any credibility. They crap on and ridicule everything Trump says, so it's understandable to be suspicious of their criticisms.

    However, I don't see much of a parallel with the creation of the Air Force. When we did that, we were in the midst of a massive shift in the USAAF's mission. With the rise of strategic bombing and the need to deliver nuclear weapons, it was clear that the mission was going to be about much more than supporting the Army. The change was well underway.

    I don't see much evidence of a similar expansion of the military's mission into space that would necessitate the bureacracy expansion that goes with creating a new branch. Maybe that'll change in the future, but we're not there yet.
     

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