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Discussion in 'West Mall' started by theiioftx, Nov 10, 2016.
And that is all that counts in the larger scheme.....
You are free to pay more taxes and support policies that kill economic growth. However, without economic freedom, you don’t have much freedom at all.
I think the Bidens, unlike the progressives, want to make money. In their case, it goes to the elite. Progressives like to enact redistribution policies that hurt everybody in the name of fairness. Again, let’s see how it shakes out.
450 miles of border wall in 2020
Trump hits 450-mile goal for 2020 border wall construction
How many of those miles did Mexico pay for?
How do you define payment? The economy grew a lot prior to covid. There is plenty of cash on the table to divide.
Well, I would define it the way my mortgage company and auto lienholder would define it or at least close to that. The point is that money has to actually leave my hands and end up in theirs.
Now define money. I believe you have a very narrow definition. I see you are no economist.
Trump Allies Reportedly Collecting Lots of Cash From People Seeking Pardons
Finishing with a bang!
Come on Bubba, without cash, how are they going to buy drugs from the 900 drug dealers Obama pardoned?
I love stories that have unnamed sources. Shirley they are true.
Yes, I did call you Shirley.
Yeah, they’re never correct.
"You are no economist" means you're about to do whatever mental contortions you have to in order to say he got Mexico to pay for it even if you end up with ball sweat on your chin.
Honestly, I'd actually accept payment in different ways than my mortgage company. I'd prefer money, but it could be in any currency. I'd also accept gold, real estate, food products, or anything that was agreed upon to be of comparable value to the cost of the wall. However, valuable assets would have to change hands from the Mexican government or its citizens to the United States government for the purpose of funding the wall.
You can twist it around anyway you want, but he got Mexico to pay for it like Obama cut your health insurance premiums by $2,500 per year and gave you a free phone. It's the 40 acres and a mule of Trumpism.
Behold the last president with any balls
Probably the last ever
I agree with the sentiment but waiting until you are on the way out the door is not what I would call courageous.
What are your thoughts on relatives of those walking in the door taking payoffs from the same commies?
Tweets like this for a POTUS that just provoked a coup attempt that led to an assualt on the Capitol building are what lends credibility to the "cult" moniker some put on Trump supporters.
Led by incoming Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, the economic policy team has signaled that it will be the first administration ever to construct economic policy around issues like race, gender equality and climate change, rather than around traditional indicators like gross domestic product or deficit ratio.
Just think of the credibility it would have if written in a dossier prepared by the Dems!
Yep. That is socialist take over. Marxists in American universities have been discussing this approach for a while now.
Adding this here for the sake of the historical record.
Yesterday, his last in office Trump revoked an Executive Order that he was lauded for in the first 50 pages of this thread. He revoked the 5yr ban on lobbying for administration officials.
He also pardoned Steve Bannon (who coopted >$1M of private wall money for himself) and Jeanine Piro's ex-husband who was convicted in 2000 of tax evasion.
Another odd pardon was for Anthony Levandowski. He's the engineer that admitted to downloading/stealing 13,000 files from Google for their self-driving car and took them to Uber to help him start their self-driving car program. Stealing trade secrets netted him an 18 month jail term. Rightwing techie Peter Thiel advocated for him so that and a chance to raise the middle finger to Google are what I suspect were the only supporting elements Trump needed to justify the pardon.
Just the swamp maker making more swamp.
On August 11, 1999, Clinton commuted the sentences of 16 members of FALN, a Puerto Rican paramilitary organization that set off 120 bombs in the United States, mostly in New York City and Chicago. There were convictions for conspiracy to commit robbery, bomb-making, and sedition, as well as firearms and explosives violations. The 16 were convicted of conspiracy and sedition and sentenced with terms ranging from 35 to 105 years in prison. Clinton offered clemency on the condition that the prisoners renounce violence, seeing as none of the 16 had been convicted of harming anyone and they had already served 19 years in prison. This action was lobbied for by ten Nobel Laureates and the Archbishop of Puerto Rico. The commutation was opposed by the U.S. Attorney's Office, the FBI, and the Federal Bureau of Prisons and was criticized by many, including former victims of FALN terrorist activities and the Fraternal Order of Police. Hillary Clinton, then campaigning for her first term in the Senate, initially supported the commutation, but withdrew her support three days later.
Congress condemned this action by President Clinton, with votes of 95–2 in the Senate and 311–41 in the House. The U.S. House Committee on Government Reform held an investigation on the matter, but the Justice Department prevented FBI officials from testifying. President Clinton cited executive privilege for his refusal to turn over some documents to Congress related to his decision to offer clemency to members of the FALN terrorist group.
Among those who accepted clemency are:
Edwin Cortes, sentenced to 35 years in prison.
Elizam Escobar, sentenced to 60 years in prison.
Ricardo Jimenez, sentenced to 90 years in prison.
Adolfo Matos, sentenced to 70 years in prison.
Dylcia Noemi Pagan, sentenced to 55 years in prison.
Alicia Rodríguez, sentenced to 55 years in prison.
Ida Luz Rodriguez, sentenced to 75 years in prison.
Luis Rosa, sentenced to 75 years in prison.
Carmen Valentin, sentenced to 90 years in prison.
Alberto Rodriguez, sentenced to 35 years in prison.
Alejandrina Torres, sentenced to 35 years in prison.
Juan Enrique Segarra-Palmer, sentenced to 55 years in prison; released on 25 January 2004.
Those who rejected clemency include:Antonio Camacho-Negron, sentenced to 15 years in prison; released in 2006.
Oscar López Rivera, sentenced to 70 years in prison, released in 2017 after sentence was commuted by President Barack Obama
Edgar and Vonna Jo Gregory pardons
In March 2000, Bill Clinton pardoned Edgar and Vonna Jo Gregory, owners of the carnival company United Shows International, for charges of bank fraud from a 1982 conviction. Although the couple had already been released from prison, the prior conviction prevented them from doing business in certain American states. First Lady Hillary Clinton's youngest brother, Tony Rodham, was an acquaintance of the Gregorys, and had lobbied Clinton on their behalf. In October 2006, the group Judicial Watch filed a request with the U.S. Justice Department for an investigation, alleging that Rodham had received $107,000 from the Gregorys for the pardons in the form of loans that were never repaid, as part of a quid pro quo scheme.
Pardons and commutations signed on President Clinton's final day in office
Clinton issued 140 pardons as well as several commutations on his last day of office, January 20, 2001.
Carlos Vignali had his sentence for cocaine trafficking commuted, after serving 6 of 15 years in federal prison.
Almon Glenn Braswell was pardoned of his 1983 mail fraud and perjury convictions. In 1998 he was under federal investigation for money laundering and tax evasion charges. Braswell and Carlos Vignali each paid approximately $200,000 to Hillary Clinton's brother, Hugh Rodham, to represent their respective cases for clemency. Hugh Rodham returned the payments after they were disclosed to the public. Braswell would later invoke the Fifth Amendment at a Senate Committee hearing in 2001, when questioned about allegations of his having systematically defrauded senior citizens of millions of dollars.
Linda Evans and Susan Rosenberg, members of the radical Weather Underground organization, both had sentences for weapons and explosives charges commuted: Evans served 16 years of her 40-year sentence, and Rosenberg served 16 of her 58 years.
Marc Rich, a fugitive who had fled the U.S. during his prosecution, was residing in Switzerland. Rich owed $48 million in taxes and was charged with 51 counts for tax fraud, was pardoned of tax evasion. He was required to pay a $1 million fine and waive any use of the pardon as a defense against any future civil charges that were filed against him in the same case. Critics complained that Denise Eisenberg Rich, his former wife, had made substantial donations to both the Clinton library and to Mrs. Clinton's senate campaign. According to Paul Volcker's independent investigation of Iraqi Oil-for-Food kickback schemes, Marc Rich was a middleman for several suspect Iraqi oil deals involving over 4 million barrels (640,000 m3) of oil.
Susan McDougal, who had already completed her sentence, was pardoned for her role in the Whitewater scandal. McDougal had served the maximum possible 18 months, including eight in solitary confinement, on contempt charges for refusing to testify about Clinton's role.
Mel Reynolds, a Democratic Congressman from Illinois, was convicted of bank fraud, 12 counts of sexual assault of a child, obstruction of justice, and solicitation of child pornography.
Patty Hearst, who was kidnapped by the Symbionese Liberation Army in 1974. After being isolated and threatened with death, she became supportive of their cause, making propaganda announcements for them and taking part in illegal activities. After her arrest in 1975, she was found guilty of bank robbery.
Roger Clinton, the president's brother, was pardoned for drug charges after having served the entire sentence more than a decade earlier. Roger Clinton would be charged with drunk driving and disorderly conduct in an unrelated incident within a year of the pardon. He was also briefly alleged to have been utilized in lobbying for the Braswell pardon, among others.
Harvey Weinig, a former Manhattan lawyer who was sentenced in 1996 to 11 years in prison for facilitating an extortion-kidnapping scheme and helping launder at least $19 million for the Cali cocaine cartel.
On February 18, 2001, Bill Clinton wrote a New York Times column defending the 140 pardons.
Trump was billed as draining the swamp. Do you agree with the pardon of friends and family? I didn't agree when Clinton pardoned Mark Rich either. The point of my post is that the last administration was simply a swamp replacement...a far dirtier and more expansive swamp.
It's funny how you always say that you were against Democrat action "x" after the fact, but never when it is happening. If you don't see the distinction in the types of criminals Clinton pardoned compared to Trump, you are just not thinking straight. I disagree with the very idea of letting any criminal back on the street before their sentence is served, and that includes parole.