The First 100 days

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  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  2. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    It's a good start and at least he wasn't just campaign bluster on this...BUT...it's small thing so far. He's temporarily stemmed the tide mostly with rhetoric but unless he and congress enact some real legislation to change Birthright citizenship or mandate E-Verify then this will be for naught. As soon as power in Washington shifts again, the other side will relax enforcement, stop funding the wall and the surge will resume.

    They GOP better get their act together. The clock is ticking and their majorities are going to turn into pumpkins before too long.
     
  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    In moments like these, I find it helps to remember what the alternative was
     
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  4. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    Amen to that, brotha!
     
  5. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    This stuff was blamed on Trump
    But was more more fake news
    Now it turns out the busted hoaxer had bitcoin account worth millions
    Who was paying him?



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  6. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    We really have to understand the reason behind DT's slow-walking illegal immigration reforms until now.

    Every directive he puts out to fight illegal immigration will be challenged by Libs and blocked by activist judges. Period.

    Dems will go to their graves fighting to save these potential future votes. Now that Gorsuch is close to joining SCOTUS, the real work can begin soon.
     
  7. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    I sure hope you're right. I hope it's about strategy and not an indication that the GOP is so far in the pocket of businesses that want cheap labor, that they are going for the show rather than the substance.
     
  8. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    "Show rather than the substance"

    Have any the EO's or reported enforcement mechanisms targeted businesses that hire illegal immigrants? There's your answer. ICE is going to homes or staking them out on the way to schools/work to arrest individuals. When you hear that they raided a manufacturing facility or corporate farm then you'll know they are serious. Until then they are nibbling at the edges to placate the base.
     
  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The US added 11,000 jobs in manufacturing in March reaching a total of 12,392,000 people employed in the manufacturing sector, according to the BLS.

    That is the greatest number of people employed in manufacturing in the United States since January 2009—the month that President Barack Obama was inaugurated—when there were 12,561,000 people employed in manufacturing.


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  10. Musburger1

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  11. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    One very measured strike serving as a wide-ranging statement at home and abroad (and allies praised as justified) has now wiped out the entire "America First" platform. :rolleyes1:

    There was a large complexity of ulterior motivations to seize that opportune moment and the indirect benefits will reach far beyond Syria.

    World leaders can coachspeak all day long, but every one of them saw DT's swift action and had an 'oh sh*t, this guy is serious' moment.

    Before he took office commentators were constantly saying DT will be tested by adversaries quickly to see what they can get away with. How will he respond?

    Whether tested on purpose by Assad or not, a clear message was sent not to f*ck with the big dog anymore. At the very least it'll lead to increased hesitation and caution when plotting to kneecap American interests in the future.

    Not to mention Arab allies finally see a leader who'll do what he says if they form a plan to work together in the region. IMHO, one of the motivations behind the strike was to bolster the potential of allies working with us to create safe zones. Stopping the refugee flow is a crucial part of America first.

    As for immigration, Gorsuch hasn't even been sworn in to provide the necessary legal path to uphold strong, contentious immigration reforms. But yeah Trump has already failed even though nothing he could do would stand the wrath of activist judges and he had no recourse to overturn them. smh
     
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  12. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    I'm going to respond to this thought on the North Korea thread shortly.
     
  13. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    I tell you one thing we may agree on Mus, the WH team is sending mixed messages on regime change in Syria like wildfire and it's unsettling.

    Haley is pounding the UN with Assad must go demands. Tillerson was on that kick but walked it back to he must go, but only after defeating ISIS.

    And to say anyone knows DT's eventual concrete stance is misunderstanding the way his mind works and evolves as new information enters the picture.

    Maybe the temporary strategy is to be erratic and project unpredictability, but that also may be giving some key players too much credit.

    Personally, I don't want us to have anything to do with regime change. It needs to be a solution agreed on by the U.N. If that solution eventually involves elections, the U.N. needs to provide security and not the U.S. alone.
     
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  14. Musburger1

    Musburger1 2,500+ Posts

    At least one Russian official has stated the United States is now the most unpredictable government in the world. At a press conference Q & A, Maria Zhakorva, one of the Russian spokes persons, said that even US media personnel ask her "Maria, what is the US foreign policy goals?" Maria's point was to emphasize that not even the US media knows what the US policy goals are and the media is so desparate they are even coming to her to ask what is going on.
     
  15. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    We can't say DT didn't signal this countless times during the election. He was very outspoken about no longer telegraphing what our military planned to do.

    Irrationality and unpredictability are also tools used in his negotiation tactics. Start off bold way out of bounds, at some point walk away from the table, etc.
     
  16. Joe Fan

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  17. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    It's a little early to draw that conclusion.
    First, he is following his platform on deportations.
    Next, it appears that he is slowing legal immigration as well, although more data is needed.
    Next, Trump came out quickly with a Visa Plan consistent with his campaign promises but was stifled by leftist elements of the federal judiciary (which the Senate allowed Obama to stack). We are yet to see what the higher courts will say on this issue. I still think Trump will win at the SCOTUS. Leaving open the question of how many terrorists the judicial lefties let into the country in the meantime? How much American blood will be on their hands all because these people cannot control their emotions?
    Last, the issue with the Wall is coming from the Congress, not the White House, which further undermines your generalized claim.
     
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  18. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    I seem to remember a quote attributed to Rommel about America being difficult to defeat because we wouldn't follow our own doctrine in WWII.

    best I could do on short notice....

    "One of the serious problems in planning against American doctrine that the Americans do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine." -- From a Russian military document "The reason that the America army does so well in wartime is that war is chaos and the American army practices chaos on a daily basis." -- A German General Officer
     
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  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Told ya .... China offering concessions to avoid a trade war with the US

    China will offer the Trump administration better market access for financial sector investments and U.S. beef exports to help avert a trade war, the Financial Times reported on Sunday, citing officials familiar with the matter.

    China is prepared to raise the investment ceiling in the Bilateral Investment treaty and is also willing to end the ban on U.S. beef imports, the newspaper also reported.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-trade-idUSKBN17B13R
     
  20. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Trump's border wall will get its start in San Diego County

    President Trump’s proposed wall with Mexico will kick off in the San Diego border community of Otay Mesa, U.S. Customs and Border Protection confirmed Monday.

    The community is home to one of two border crossings in San Diego and will be the site where 20 chosen bidders will erect prototypes of the envisioned wall. Winners will be selected around June 1, the agency said.

    While funding for the massive infrastructure project is still not set, up to 450 companies submitted designs last week. The agency’s bid said roughly 20 companies will be selected to build the prototypes — 30 feet long and up to 30 feet high.

    The models will be built on a roughly quarter-mile strip of federal land within 120 feet of the border, said a U.S. official with knowledge of the plans quoted by the Associated Press......
    http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/california/la-me-san-diego-border-wall-20170410-story.html
     
  21. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Is there a parallel now to be drawn with Kennedy and the steel companies in 1962

     
  22. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  23. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    If we just accept that promises made during primary campaigns don't matter, then perhaps.
     
  24. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts


    First, deportations of illegal aliens convicted of crime are up ~250%. In addition, more agents and immigration judges are on the way.
    Second, the original idea floated during the campaign was modified, I think more than once. Which one are you using here?
     
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  25. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    That's nice, but it isn't what he ran on, nor is it what got him the nomination.

    So is the euphemism of the day "modified?". If this were Obama, we'd call it a "lie."
     
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  26. Joe Fan

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    Again, what are you saying he ran on?
     
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  27. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Promises or other statements about future events cannot be lies, by definition.
    If you say, "It's going to rain tomorrow" but then it doesn't rain, are you a liar?
     
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  28. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    Actually he did modify his illegal immigration stance more than once during the election. Not with the wall, but how he will approach illegals.

    I know this because he bashed Rubio's (who I originally supported) specifics on immigration and then hijacked the exact plan towards the end.

    He started out saying all illegals must go. Then it softened to all must go and then they can apply to come back in legally through the big, beautiful front door.

    Then towards the end of the campaign he switched to build the wall, get the 'bad people' out, and then America can have a conversation about the others.

    He also said once the wall is built and bad elements are gone, he believed most Americans would be very compassionate when deciding on the remaining ones. Which was clear code for a path to legal status or citizenship.

    It was almost identical to what Rubio said from the get-go and every Rep candidate hammered him for it. In the end it's exactly where DT landed. Build the wall, remove the criminals, then the country will decide what path to offer law abiding illegals.

    So far he's doing what he can to fund/start the wall and going hard after criminal illegals. Not sure where he's falling short on the stance he ended on.

    I do agree with you his final stance is not what won him the nomination with those treasuring that issue. Most probably didn't notice he backed off some towards the end and still voted based on the original stance he had no flexibility with illegals.
     
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  29. Joe Fan

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  30. iatrogenic

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