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Discussion in 'West Mall' started by theiioftx, Nov 10, 2016.
How cheeky of them
Sounds like something you would expect out of Sweden or Germany
Here is some more of the Bannon 60 Minutes interview
This is sadly, about what you would expect, I guess
BANNON: I think Mitch McConnell, and to a degree, Paul Ryan. They do not want Donald Trump’s populist, economic nationalist agenda to be implemented. It’s very obvious. It’s obvious as– it’s obvious as the– it’s obvious as night follows day.
ROSE: Give me a story that illustrates that.
BANNON: Oh, Mitch McConnell when we first met him, I mean, he was– he was– he– he said, I think in one of the first meetings in Trump Tower with the president, as we’re wrapping up, he basically says, “I don’t wanna hear any more of this ‘drain the swamp’ talk.” He– c– flat out. He goes, “A guy up on Capitol Hill can’t buy a Coke unless it’s gotta be reported.” He says, “I can’t– I can’t hire any smart people,” because everybody’s all over him for reporting requirements and the pay, et cetera, and the scrutiny. You know, “You gotta back off that.” The “Drain the Swamp” thing was– is Mitch McConnell was day one did not wanna– did not wanna go there. Wanted us to back off.
This is kind of interesting
President Trump shocked and angered Republicans on Wednesday by agreeing with Democrats on a bill to suspend the debt ceiling for three months, but by Thursday, Republican lawmakers and aides were acknowledging that Trump's plan was better for Republicans than the plan put forward by House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis.
Many Republicans weren't all that happy with either proposal. Ryan was proposing an 18-month suspension of the debt ceiling that would have let the government keep borrowing as much as it needed, and said the long time frame was needed to provide for market stability.
But Democrats said they could only agree to a three-month suspension since they wanted leverage more immediately for other issues they want to pursue in the coming weeks. Trump's decision to take the Democratic plan was seen by some as a betrayal of Republicans, and a sign Trump was abandoning the GOP on a key legislative package.
After the dust settled, however, Republican lawmakers and aides made it clear they saw the three-month plan as a slight improvement over Ryan's plan.
The reason was simple.
Neither plan involved a commitment to new spending cuts as a condition for allowing more government borrowing, something many conservatives wanted to see. With that key piece lacking, many Republicans preferred a shorter term agreement for the same reason Democrats did: it will let them try much sooner to leverage the next debt ceiling fight for their own policy prescription, in this case, spending cuts.
This is my biggest frustration with the Republican party. It is no longer the party of fiscal conservatism. It has become a variant of the Democratic party with different special interest groups.
Trump just handed massive leverage to the Democrats in the Tax reform battle. That's what he gave up.
The alt-right spin in full effect. They hate Republicans (and conservatives) even more than Democrats.
You mean The Onion wrote that.
The Onion is going out of business
How can they beat real life now?
This guy is an attorney, even calling himself a protector of citizens and the Constitution
Glamor Magazine, just tryin to help
"Help, I Can't Stop Hooking Up With Trump Supporters"
This is the guy from this deleted tweet
Cooperman is hedge fund guy
Wow. I knew Robert Ranco when I lived in Austin and still know some of the people at the Carlson Law Firm. He worked in the office upstairs from mine. I figured he was liberal like most plaintiff's lawyers, but he struck me as a fairly even-keel guy. I'm surprised he'd post something that dumb.
I'm not too surprised that Carlson wanted him out him for this. (He's a smart guy and a good lawyer, so I don't think this was pretext for some other reason.) They have offices in the Austin area, but a big piece of their clientele is in Central Texas - Waco, Temple, Belton, Killeen. That kind of rabid nuttiness isn't going to go over well with much of their client base.
Where do rape jokes go over well these days?
Long way to go to get to 2020 and alot will happen between now and then. Nonetheless, if Trump fully caves on DACA, my instinct as of this moment in time is that it will be the end of his political career. He will lose too much of his base and there is no way to make it up from any other groups ("73% of Trump voters said immigration was of 'very high importance' to them").
The one exception I can think of is if they do a King Soloman and slice it down the middle allowing those 'Dreamers' who did US military service to stay. He would probably survive that. But what I keep reading is that he he would sign any DACA Bill Congress spits out, even a full amnesty type. And not only that but an Amnesty Bill allowing for the full Family Chain Migration. That's alot of people. Take the 700 to 800,000 DACA beneficiaries and then multiply by an average of 3 or 4. This is enough newly registered Democrat voters to turn any red state blue. Which was probably the evil end game for Obama to begin with. This is such a hallmark of the modern Democrat isnt it? Obama was willing to do something he knew and publicly admitted was was illegal and unconstitutional for base political gain. They will do anything for political power. This is what a lack principle leaves you with.
In any event, however it goes, I will always be grateful to Trump for making a legitimate attempt to follow through with his promise on the SCOTUS pick which, in my judgement, was the single most important factor of the 2016 election. If Hillary had possessed that pick instead of Trump, this argument over DACA would mean little. Nothing would have mattered anymore.
Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi probably don't. They're getting better deals out of Trump than they would get out of Mike Pence.
I'm feeling a little betrayed by Trump myself, as, I'm sure, is a big segment of his base. As Ann Coulter says, he's the last barrier to American being turned into a Third World Hell Hole via rampant immigration.
Ann Coulter has a good article up on her website about how the 1986 amnesty, which was suppose to grant amnesty to a max of 350,000 illegal farm workers. It wound up giving it to 1.3 million or more. Coulter says that the '86 law is still being litigated.
The problem is that the laws passed by Congress are interpreted by the judicial system. Some liberal judge in Hawaii will take whatever Congress passes and give it his own spin, as we've twice seen with Trump's Travel Ban. Any appeal will have to go to the crazed 9th Circuit. You know the rest of the story.
There'll be Dreamers coming out of the woodwork and dragging Mama and the kids along with them.
Trump is certainly testing his base' support with this latest DACA intonations. He's singing from the liberals hymn book now. I doubt DACA alone is enough to get him Dem support for full funding for the wall.
Guessing he knows what he's doing. He's playing on the egos of the R "leadership". They will tire of hearing how he will get things done without them. More art of the deal stuff and everyone, including Coulter, why does anyone care what she thinks again, is being played once again.
The problem is Democratic primary voters. A Democrat who votes for wall funding will be treated like a Republican who votes for Obamacare. It's probably a career-ending vote - not because it's that consequential but because it's massively politically charged. Could Democratic primary voters be appeased with some concession by Trump? I guess, but I can't imagine what that would have to be. Maybe single-payer healthcare? Blanket amnesty for all illegal aliens who don't have felony records? Perhaps. It could be a combination of smaller policy agenda items like DACA, paid leave on Democratic terms, and adding LGBT to the Civil Rights Act.
The reality is that the wall just isn't a very good idea. It was the "shiny new object" that distracted enforcement advocates from serious policy initiatives that could have actually solved the problem. Sad.
You actually state the case why we need the Wall while trying to state why you think we dont need the Wall. The Wall is to protect from our feckless politicans.